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    Ozzy made mention of the 7th Alabama Infantry. 1st Lt. John Dickinson of the 7th Alabama Infantry (57 years old, photo probably taken in or near Pensacola). He is dressed like a Federal officer to the T, blue frock coat and all.

    As far as blue uniforms on CS troops. Many people in the SDG know Keith Willingham. He asked me once if i had ever found any images of soldiers, particularly officers, of the 16th Alabama Infantry wearing blue uniforms. It was a point of research interest for Keith, but not of mine, so I am not sure where the account came from that some 16th officers wore blue uniforms (I don't doubt the report, just need to ask Keith for the reference, would love to see it). But, I happened upon this image of 2nd Lt. Goodloe Pride, Company A, 16th Alabama Infantry not too long ago. It sure looks like to me he is wearing a blue frock coat, or a heavily bluish gray. Enough so that either way, if that was being worn, it could be mistaken for a Federal jacket from a distance.

    I would agree, I would say either his accent OR the possibility of being seen by someone who knew him and they identified him. I guess he "could" have come clean and said who he was, to some type of CS authorities, for whatever reason (may have been questioned?) But, then again, how many of the men captured at the Hornets Nest would have been interrogated by CS authorities?
  5. Yesterday

    I would think his accent would not be like others from iowa
  7. Pvt. George Burton Childress, Company K, 31st Alabama Infantry

    On 18 December 1862 a claim was filed based upon his death.
  8. Battle of Shiloh

    Mona The "Little Colonel" website -- "The People" -- provides details of some of the real people who furnished material for Annie Fellows Johnston's fictional characters. Meanwhile, will continue to review her writings; and if I discover anything of interest, will post it here. Regards Ozzy

    Tennessee's Union Volunteers "...no clothing or entrenching tools could be had while the Army was at Shiloh, for sixteen or eighteen days before the battle" -- Colonel Thomas Worthington, 46th Ohio, in sworn testimony August 1862. Colonel Worthington got himself into trouble with Brigadier General William Tecumseh Sherman at the start of the March 1862 Advance up the Tennessee River, when the steamer carrying his 46th Ohio and another steamer carrying the 40th Illinois (Colonel Hicks) powered ahead of the Federal convoy (without authority) and arrived at Savannah days in advance of Brigadier General C. F. Smith. Ignored by Sherman was a beneficial outcome: the breaking up of a "Recruitment Party" then underway, initiated by Confederate authorities, in accordance with Tennessee State Law of 28 November 1861, and activated by Governor Isham Harris upon his arrival in Memphis (the new CSA State capital) after evacuating Nashville. It is estimated in excess of 500 military-aged men had replied to the summons, and had gathered at Savannah by end of first week of March; and that number swelled to perhaps 1500 by the start of April. (On March 6th the men gathered at Savannah Tennessee were enrolled; the "Muster into service" was slated to take place on the 10th... but Hicks and Worthington arrived March 7 and 8, and the Recruitment Party was interrupted.) Many of the civilians drawn to Savannah were Union-supporters, who expressed desire to fight for the Union cause. Hicks and Worthington took advantage of the opportunity, and it is believed at least forty men joined the 40th Illinois, and over forty joined the 46th Ohio. (A further unknown number joined the 14th Iowa; and perhaps 30 - 50 joined the Navy and served aboard Lexington and Tyler, and the soon-to-be commissioned Alfred Robb.) There were two problems with these new recruits: availability of uniforms, and their "official military status" (because some had been Enrolled for Confederate service on March 6th, or had other "prior attachment.") Availability of uniforms is questioned due to information presented in SDG topics: "A Revelation of War: civilians in Hardin County Tennessee in Spring 1862" -- in particular, posts of 29 MAY 2017; 1 JUN 2017 (by rwaller); and 1 JUN 2017 (by Ozzy), with attention to General Orders No.17 of March 1st 1862 (signed by John Rawlins) directing, "all regiments with extra clothing will distribute that extra clothing to other regiments requiring same. Afterwards, all extra clothing to be sent to Cairo Illinois." Depending on how well these instructions were followed, there may not have been many spare uniforms available, just prior to Shiloh (as reported by Colonel Worthington.) What were the Tennessee Union soldiers wearing at Shiloh? Were they able to get proper uniforms, or did they borrow items from other soldiers, or did they have an ad hoc "uniform" of dark mufti? [Still under investigation, so answer remains unknown.] However, it is of interest to note that at least one captured man, taken prisoner upon the collapse of the Hornet's Nest, was shot on General Beauregard's orders, due to having "served improperly with the 14th Iowa Infantry." This man was deemed to have been previously mustered into Confederate service, and was "acting as a traitor to the Cause, having joined the ranks of the enemy." [Sam Watkins in Company Aytch (1900) pages 40 - 41 records this man as "Rowland," shot at Corinth on April 12th.] His real name was William C. Rolan of Lawrenceburg Tennessee, who is recorded in the 14th Iowa roster as belonging to Company H. The question: What gave this man away? His manner of speaking, or his "different uniform"? Ozzy References: http://archive.org/stream/coaytch00watk#page/40/mode/2up Sam Watkins Company Aytch http://iagenweb.org/civilwar/books/logan/mil406.htm Roster of 14th Iowa Infantry by Guy Logan http://civilwartalk.com/threads/pows-from-shiloh.94639/ Discussion of Wm.C. Rolan, including documents.
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    [image from ACW Toy Soldiers.] According to Facebook post of Shiloh NMP dated 21 July 2017, it was Lieutenant Slocomb of the battery who had the Louisiana Washington Artillery turn their blue jackets inside out on the morning of April 6th 1862. Same Facebook post records, "Kentucky troops may have fired into Trabue's Louisiana troops (wearing blue jackets on Sunday afternoon.)" Again, the Facebook post reports, "Lieutenant A. V. Vetner (CSA) was killed by the 4th Louisiana as he rode past." The 4th Louisiana is recorded as "engaged with a Tennessee Regiment" [OR 10 page 489.] Colonel Allen: "A Tennessee regiment in our rear fired on us." [That regiment may have been the 33rd Tennessee -- their report (OR 10 page 435) records "confusion."] SDG topic "Friendly Fire Incident with 4th Louisiana Confederates" of 30 March 2010 records additional details. And SDG topic "Route for Tim's Epic Hike" of 24 SEP 2014 records the scene of "Shiloh's most famous friendly fire incident in vicinity of Lost Field." OR 10 pages 422 - 3 Report No.146: Colonel Bell insists, "The 33rd Tennessee fired into us." [More details to be found SDG topic "Attack on Waterhouse's Battery that Succeeded" -- especially posts of 21 AUG 2016 (two posts.)] OR 10 page 430 Report No.151 of the 13th Arkansas "observed an officer shot down by Louisiana troops." [This officer may have been Brigadier General SAM Wood, who may have still been wearing the dark-coloured uniform from his days with the 7th Alabama -- see photograph associated with SDG topic "Wood's Brigade: what artillery battery" by lelliott19 (16 NOV 2016) (the CDV image with five officers posed for camera.)] Also, SAM Wood's report OR 10 page 592. Cheers Ozzy References: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924077730160;view=1up;seq=533 OR 10 of Rebellion Records http://www.acwtoysoldiers.com/Confederate Sets/CSA_ART_LA_WashLtArtNO5thCo.html ACW Toy Soldiers (image at top of post.) http://www.facebook.com/ShilohNMP/posts/1413422985414350 Shiloh NMP post of 21 July 2017.
  12. Battle of Shiloh

    i could not either find her trip to the south used in any of her other books..i really didnt know the extent of the little colonel series..
  13. Lt. Col. Harvey Hogg, 2nd Illinois Cavalry


    Thank You Ozzy, ---Your help is appreciated! Two heads are better than one, or three or five! On the 12th Illinois, I have the complete history on this-- wagons of blue uniforms distributed the morning of April 6th. The same situation could have involved the 9th Illinois Infantry. Some of them still in gray, but am not done with that research. On the Blue uniformed Louisiana troops, yes.-- They came up from New Orleans dressed in blue jackets and gray trousers-- not a great uniform appearance for Shiloh. Working on that one too. Just found some more descriptions on their appearance during the Battle. On the 40th Illinois and the 2 Ohio Regiments not being properly uniformed-- FILL ME IN ON THOSE-- Still working on Ohio Quartermaster operations for the Fall of 1861- Spring of 1862. The Flags, I have notes, but have not yet dug into those. The Regiment told to reverse their jackets, I have that somewhere-- but FILL ME IN on that too! The Union Army did have three Zouave Regiments at Shiloh. The 11th Indiana still dressed in gray at Shiloh, according to one veteran. The 53rd and 54th Ohio were in Zouave type uniforms at Shiloh. McArthurs' Brigade wore Scottish tams into Battle. The Confederate were said to have a number of Zouave Companies in their ranks from Louisiana. The Washington Artillery-- and other Artillery units had distinctive uniforms. On the Scouts-- a white band attached to the hat or arm, was also used in Missouri by Union Home Guard Companies, so ordered by General Lyon himself to distinguish them from the Missouri State Guard. Thank You Again for your help. Tom

    Uniform and Flag stories from Shiloh These are some of the interesting incidents involving uniforms and flags at Battle of Shiloh: the 12th Illinois Infantry changed out of its old grey uniform into blue during the march to battle, morning of April 6th 1862; at least one "friendly fire" incident occurred, involving Rebel troops shooting their own due to the wearing of dark blue (or black) jackets; recent volunteers signed into Union service at Savannah during March/April 1862 ( 40th Illinois, 46th Ohio and 14th Iowa) may not have been issued with proper uniforms prior to Battle of Shiloh; the Jessie Scouts wore Rebel uniforms when performing their duties (but wore a distinctive scarf or armband -- usually white -- upon return to Union lines to avoid being shot by friendly troops) the "Stars and Bars" Flag (1st CSA National Flag) continued to pose problems at Shiloh (misidentified as American Flag) at least one Confederate regiment was ordered to wear its jackets inside out (with cream-coloured liner obscuring the dark colour of the uniform jacket) everyone knows the "white flag" represents surrender; but at the time of Shiloh, the "yellow flag" meant Hospital (and sometimes a "red flag" was used) ambulance wagons and steamers pressed into Hospital service usually carried no marker (and Hospital boats were sometimes used to carry munitions) when representatives from General Beauregard travelled to Richmond, end of April, to present the General's Shiloh Report to President Davis, they also carried with them 28 flags, banners and pennants captured at Shiloh. Cheers Ozzy
  16. Battle of Shiloh

    Mona When I first encountered the impressive poem in Confederate Veteran Magazine, I wondered, "Did she write anything else?" And never realized that Annie Fellows Johnston went on to construct a whole series of children's books, based on the fictional Little Colonel, featuring characters and places with origins in real life. There are a number of websites that act as store-houses for Annie Johnston's written works, some of which also provide access to the works themselves. However, possibly due to the fact this writer was published under a variety of names (Annie Johnston, Annie Fellows, Annie Fellows Johnston) no online storehouse lists all of her works. One such item that escapes the lists is Songs Ysame -- a selection of poems credited to Annie F. Johnston and her sister, Albion. Several of the poems are written in the same style as "The Battle of Shiloh," (although that particular poem is not included in Songs Ysame.) Do any of Annie Johnston's works "directly address" the Battle of Shiloh? I believe her poem comes the closest; but even that effort feels "half-a-pace removed," as if one is looking down on the scene from above, and not caught up with the struggle, directly. As for "Colonel Lloyd," I have yet to encounter a full description of the Colonel's wartime experiences in any of the books (although I've only read four of them, as of this post.) Much in the same way most veterans acknowledge their participation, but do not reveal intimate details of the experience, Colonel Lloyd is "known to have had war service," but the specifics of that service are released in bits and pieces, widely separated. Interesting websites below... Ozzy References: http://littlecolonel.com/ (probably the most complete site for Annie Fellows Johnston and Little Colonel information) http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/3050 (selection of Annie F. Johnston works available at Project Gutenberg) http://www.online-literature.com/annie-johnston/ (Online-Literature list of Annie Johnston books, plays and short stories.) http://archive.org/stream/songsysame00johngoog#page/n11/mode/2up Songs Ysame
  17. Fort Donelson

    Soldiers killed and wounded at Fort Donelson

    Sorry, we are there already-- Tom!
  19. Battle of Shiloh

    Ozzy, Do you know if a book was written about the story or just the poem? I looked at the book list but could not find a title that seemed to cover that story line Than ks Mona

    Oh please dont get Jim started again!
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