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  2. Illinois Officers

    Does anyone have a picture of Col. C. Carroll Marsh? I cannot find a picture of that man anywhere. He was eventually promoted to brigadier general if that helps, though the appointment was later withdrawn. He came up through the 20th Illinois Infantry eventually becoming its colonel before eventual promotion to brigadier general. He was born in Oswego, New York but must have moved in childhood to Illinois I suppose.
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  4. Col. Thomas D. Sedgwick, 2nd Kentucky Infantry US

    Another view of Sedgwick
  5. It seemed timely to revisit this topic, initiated by Manassas1 in 2014, because the Federal soldiers at Shiloh did not celebrate the National Holiday of Thanksgiving... until 1863. By Proclamation of President Lincoln, the date of that Holiday (first observed in 1863, and subsequently) was to be "the last Thursday in November." There was one controversial "adjustment" made in 1939 (during the FDR Administration) with a Law being passed a few years later, making that adjustment official... and the date is celebrated in accordance with that Law to this day: on the fourth Thursday in November. [Just a bit of trivia: here in Australia, Thanksgiving is not a National Holiday. But there are parts of Australia that celebrate, regardless. Any guesses where?] Regards (and Happy Thanksgiving!) Ozzy Reference: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-establishes-modern-thanksgiving-holiday FDR adjustment to Thanksgiving
  6. Officers under Arrest

    Ozzie: Thanks for the good summary! rbn3
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  8. Why not just go?

    Rbn3 For answer, see Officers Under Arrest, post of today. Cheers Ozzy
  9. Officers under Arrest

    Update on Officers Under Arrest Was recently asked about "the nature of the Purge" conducted by Major General U.S. Grant, beginning late March 1862 and continuing until commencement of Battle of Shiloh on Sunday morning, April 6th. Firstly, these are most (but not all) of the men caught up in that exercise: Brigadier General John McArthur, commander 2nd Brigade of 2nd Division (violation of General Order No.28 of March 28th 1862); LtCol William Morgan, 25th Indiana (violation of General Order No.28); Colonel Hugh Reed of Cruft's Brigade (violation of General Order No.28); Colonel James Geddes, 8th Iowa (violation of General Order No.28); Captain Charles Carpenter of Jessie Scouts (sent to St.Louis for Court-Martial due suspected horse theft); Trooper L.F. Scott of Jessie Scouts (sent to St.Louis for Court-Martial due suspected horse theft); Colonel David Moore, 21st Missouri (Court-Martial early April for "allowing troops belonging to his command to fire from steamer J.C. Swon during transit up Tennessee River, jeopardizing lives and property of innocent civilians. Found guilty of lesser charge and received reprimand from General Grant. Returned to duty); 2/Lt Charles Speake, 23rd Indiana (found to have absented himself without authority during sweep of records belonging to Grant's Army, and discharged from service); Major Thomas Reynolds, 16th Wisconsin (minor disciplinary infraction); Colonel C.J. Wright (senior officer at Clarksville, held responsible for irregularities there); Surgeon Henry Hewitt, Senior Medical Officer at Savannah (believed by Henry Halleck not to have been properly mustered into service, and ordered dismissed by General Grant. Dismissed April 20th); Major General John McClernand, commander First Division (threatened by U.S. Grant with disciplinary action on March 25th due suspected horse theft committed by members of Jessie Scouts "attached to your command" (see Papers of US Grant vol.4 page 421). General McClernand "expressed his mortification" (see page 422) and the matter was dropped; Major General Lew Wallace, commander Third Division, (for as-yet unwritten General Orders No.28: sending away troops under his command, out-of-area, without proper authorization). Major General Lew Wallace "sparked the Purge" with his actions in mid-March (sending over 200 desperately sick men from the Third Division away north to Evansville, Indiana for medical care; having been denied proper medical care at Savannah.) If Henry Halleck had not taken notice, probably nothing would have happened (see Papers of USG vol.4 page 404 -- and especially page 405). But, "shirkers," and "men abusing the Furlough System" appear to have been pet-peeves of Henry Halleck (who believed that the best cure for most ailments was fresh air and activity.) Having witnessed officers from Grant's command in St. Louis "on properly authorized medical furlough" but evidently not really sick, General Halleck became incensed upon hearing of "multiple steamers from Grant's command" landing sick men at a variety of Ohio River ports. And he telegraphed Grant, demanding not only an explanation, but a stop to the practice of sending men out of his area. But, there was another problem: General Halleck's telegrams were being sent through Cairo, and during March 1862 "there was a difficulty" (see Papers of US Grant vol.4 pages 400 - 401, telegram from Grant to Halleck of March 21st.) Because General Grant did not reply promptly, Halleck became even more angry. But, once General Grant understood "what had caused Henry Halleck to become so upset," he turned his attention to Lew Wallace. Sometimes sending messages directly to Wallace (and sometimes directing John Rawlins to send messages to Lew Wallace), General Grant demanded an explanation for the sick soldiers "sent away without proper authority" ...and the messages crossed in transit -- see Papers USG v.4 pages 401-2 -- (with Lew Wallace eventually replying, "Do not worry. I will not move my Division without proper orders" -- page 403, top.) Meanwhile, General Grant (realizing he truly had a serious medical problem) sent a telegram on March 22nd to St. Louis requesting massive quantities of medical supplies (to which Henry Halleck replied, "I cannot fill that request, because your Medical Director, Surgeon Hewitt, is a civilian, and not authorized to request those supplies" -- see Papers USG v.4 pp. 404-5). In response, Grant sent his 2-I-C surgeon, John Brinton, to St. Louis to personally submit the request for medical supplies -- (see Papers page 405, notes at top). How did "medical issues" and "unauthorized removal of sick troops" lead to a Purge? A late-arriving telegram sent from Henry Halleck, dated March 17th, expressed Halleck's concerns IRT Grant's command and its "lack of discipline." And, simply, Halleck directed Grant to, "Hold your officers to account for the actions of their men" (see Papers page 415 notes). And, what is interesting upon review of the list of "officers placed under arrest" ...Colonel Jesse Appler, Captain Joseph Clay and Captain John B. Myers are not on it. The officers whose names are listed tend to be "tough characters with strong wills" (or in the case of McClernand and Lew Wallace, "loose cannons" Grant wanted to rein in.) The Chinese have a saying: "Punish one, teach one hundred." I believe Grant's Purge (encouraged by Henry Halleck) was a ham-fisted attempt to instill discipline during the empty days of March and April, expecting to march on Corinth soon as Buell arrived... Ozzy References: Papers of US Grant volume 4 page 385 (General Orders No.23 of March 18th 1862); pages 386 - 406. Getchell, Kevin, Scapegoat of Shiloh (2013) ebook locations 498 - 548 "A Medical Matter creates Friction." http://www.artcirclelibrary.info/Reference/civilwar/1862-03.pdf Art Circle Library for March 1862 (see pages 37 - 38: Letter of March 12 from soldier of 40th Illinois and published in Chicago Times of March 19th. Reports "Rebel cavalry fired into steamer Argyle during transit up Tennessee River, killing one soldier and wounding two others belonging to 57th Illinois. The commanding officer ordered the steamer put into the bank; and a party of soldiers was sent to the nearby town of Clifton Tennessee. Ten citizens were taken away, and held hostage on the steamer to prevent further firing from the Rebels. The citizens were released once the danger was passed." [Presented, as well as report that the 48th Ohio fired their new guns during transit, as evidence that Colonel David Moore was made a scapegoat for his troops "firing indiscriminately into the river bank" during transit of J.C. Swon. No one in 48th OVI or 57th Illinois were held accountable for similar (or worse) actions.]
  10. Why not just go?

    Ozzie: Where is the best summary and explanation of all the "arrests" that occurred in the days before April 6th? I think General John MacArthur was under arrest. Did any of those arrests actually lead to court-martial? Wallace was the guy in the vat that was being slowly heated...he never knew when to scream. rbn3
  11. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Thanks Tim.
  12. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Looks like a fun time was had by all, indeed. So glad it was a perfect fall day for the hike! -Paul
  13. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Tim, those maps are outstanding and very helpful to get a better handle on exactly where we were Saturday. Thanks so much for making them available to the rest of us Trekkers!
  14. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Jim - here are a few screenshots from my gps app showing where we hiked, with some added tags (I hope I got them right - if not someone will let us know). I included the elevations around Tilghman Branch since Tim asked about it.
  15. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Thanks for the links Tim. I believe I've found my favorite way to take in these hikes. Google maps, a Trailhead map and Tony's excellent videos. Life is good!
  16. T. Hurst remembers...

    ok...because the capt of the alice dean(#1) when Morgan captured her to use as a ferry to cross the ohio in july 1863 was Capt James Pepper. when Morgan was finished the alice dean was burned---there are parts of this packet boat in several museums ..last saw a piece in august in bradenburg ky(if any of yall have not visited this town is worth the trip!!) later a second packet was built and named alice dean. The McCombs was spared from burning as the owner was a good friend of Basil Duke. so far i can not find this gentleman but will continue to research.
  17. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Thanks to Tony Willoughby for recording these videos, and making them accessible (especially for those of us unable to make the journey): this series of three is well worth the time, as areas important to both April 6 and 7 of 1862 are featured, much of which is generally difficult to visit, even if you do make the trip. And Tim Smith's explanations greatly assist with understanding why aspects of Shiloh progressed in the way they did. Well Done, Tony! Ozzy
  18. T. Hurst remembers...

    Mona, yes it does. "in raid into Ohio" is what it says.
  19. Epic Trek 2017: Update

    Ozzy noticed that Tony has uploaded his videos of the Epic Hike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LeGGxEr_-8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSVhn6WQRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdCEoP0DMI&t=1307s
  20. Why not just go?

    Mona and Rbn3 Thanks for your contributions to this topic. Part of the reason the question is posed (IRT why Lew Wallace did not move before General Grant's visit) stems from the revelation uncovered in Johann Stuber's diary: on April 4th, when the Federal camps in vicinity of Pittsburg Landing became alarmed upon hearing the sounds of the afternoon skirmish taking place in front of Sherman's Division (and many organizations from widely separated divisions were brought into line by trilling of the Long Roll), just a few miles north, the "sounds of battle" were not heard. Johann Stuber's two-line entry for April 4th merely records the visit of a man from Dayton. Yet, on April 6th, Corporal Stuber (serving near Stony Lonesome as member of the 58th Ohio Infantry) recorded the "growing sounds of battle, coming from the south, from early in the morning." The roar of cannons was especially mentioned; and there was no doubt, the sound was coming "from the vicinity of Pittsburg Landing." Major General Lew Wallace heard those roaring cannons, too. Familiar with "the sound of battle" (most recently, at Fort Donelson) Wallace promptly issued orders and prepared his Division to march south; and then waited at the Landing (Crump's Landing) for General Grant to arrive and issue the "expected orders to march south." But, Grant did not issue those marching orders; instead directing Lew Wallace to "wait in readiness to move in any direction (upon receipt of further orders.)" If we assume Grant's visit with Lew Wallace took place at 8:15 a.m., the following one... two... three hours must have been excruciating: just waiting, while the sound of battle (according to Corporal Stuber) persisted, unabated. Lew Wallace records in his Autobiography that he concocted a "contingency plan," in accordance with which the men of his Third Division would be granted early Dinner at 11:30; and commence to march south (down the Shunpike) at 12 noon... if no orders were received. Therefore, having met General Grant, face-to-face, Lew Wallace was willing to wait a little over three hours before "taking the initiative." So, the questions revealed themselves: "How long would Lew Wallace have waited, if General Grant did not "drop by?" And, "Knowing that a battle was in progress -- and having taken the necessary steps to stage his battalions to march -- why did not Lew Wallace order that march (instead of waiting for acquiescence from U.S. Grant?)" And, I believe Mona provided the answer: during the "weeks of waiting" before commencing the anticipated March on Corinth, General Grant took the opportunity of those empty days to "rein in" his loose cannons, and came down "like a ton of bricks" on any infraction of the rules, in order to instill discipline. In the case of Lew Wallace, it was the "sending away out of area seriously ill troops for hospital care in Indiana" that provoked the wrath of Grant (asserting that he had been embarrassed by Henry Halleck calling attention to the matter.) Lew Wallace, not fully grasping what was taking place, attempted to justify his actions through a lengthy, wordy, missive in late March 1862 (which only brought John Rawlins, Grant's AAG, into the "discussion.") Finally realizing what was really taking place -- that he was being disciplined for its own sake -- Lew Wallace kowtowed... and issued the response (to be found in Reference No.2 Line 2 on page 403, above in first post). Cheers Ozzy Other reference: http://archive.org/stream/meintagebuchuber00stub#page/20/mode/2up Diary of Johann Stuber, entries for April 4 and 6.
  21. Why not just go?

    right...his orders were to wait .and so he did...i believe a bit earlier he got "into it" with Grant over sending some sick men back up north after he had sent them down to the hospital ship at pittsburg landing and they were immediately sent back d/t no room
  22. Why not just go?

    The key phrase in your proposition is "in the absence of orders." Wallace was ordered by General Grant between 8 and 9 to get ready and wait. The fubar that came after does not figure into your proposition.
  23. Why stay at Crumps?

    I was intending to use this discussion to introduce the concept of "Strategic Reserves" (as advocated by Jomini in The Art of War, pages 128 - 135) and poorly implemented by U. S. Grant at Shiloh. But Mona's suggestion got me thinking: what if General Grant kept Lew Wallace away for the same reason he held John McClernand in Savannah? Perhaps Grant saw Lew Wallace's assignment to the north, away from day-to-day conduct of operations at Pittsburg Landing (where Grant wanted Brigadier General Sherman to control those operations, in Grant's absence) as Providential (especially considering the contortions he was forced to execute in preventing the other Major General, McClernand, from assuming command at Pittsburg Landing in his absence?) The whole "shell game" of pretending Charles F. Smith was senior commander at Pittsburg, "just away -- temporarily -- due to illness," was orchestrated in conjunction with sending McClernand to Pittsburg Landing; and the charade of "Smith's Division" (under temporary management of WHL Wallace) was maintained right through the Battle of Shiloh... with near fatal consequences. Well Done, Mona, for "thinking outside the square." Ozzy Reference: http://archive.org/stream/artwar00mendgoog#page/n134/mode/2up The Art of War by Jomini (pages 128 - 135). http://digital.library.msstate.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/USG_volume/id/17403/rec/7 Papers of US Grant vol.4 (especially pages 428 and 429, showing Major General John McClernand was aware of "the game" being played to prevent his rightful (lawful) exercise of command by US Grant, making use of the "temporary absence" of General C.F. Smith (who, it turned out, was junior Major General to McClernand.)
  24. Why not just go?

    Mona That may have become true, after 10 a.m. But, at 7 a.m. (the time the booming artillery was heard at Crump's Landing and at Savannah) the placement of Confederate forces on Shiloh battlefield had yet to evolve. (And Lew Wallace had no way of knowing what would be found, upon his arrival.) But, not wanting to ponder "what might have been, had Lew Wallace arrived at Owl Creek Bridge at 10 a.m.," the real question is: "Why did not Lew Wallace, convinced that a battle was underway, order his Division south down the Shunpike, soon as his battalions were ready to go?" Regards Ozzy
  25. T. Hurst remembers...

    does it say below the line forced to carry genl morgan over ohio river in raid ? ohio?
  26. Why not just go?

    he would have come out behind the Confederate line of battle
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