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  1. I want to thank Perry for getting these reports typed in here and also the visual aids.. Those are great.. Without him I would never have gotten these reports posted and forget the visuals.. Mona, Bjorn, and anyone else that was on the hikes jump in here any time.. I have had a tougher time with the reports this year than I have in the past.. That is especially true of the one about McDowell and the 40th Illinois.. Though I totally understood what was going on during the hike getting it on paper has been a bit of a challenge.. Not sure I done it adequately.. Maybe it is because these were subjects we had not studied or read about as much in the past.. For example until Bjorn's hike I never knew where the Owl Creek Bridge was at.. These reports are not perfect so give me all the help you can Your Obedient Servant Rebel
  2. Hello from Marion Illinois... Glad to have you on the board.. I plan to attend the hikes on the 6th and 7th.. Going to leave here late afternoon of the 5th if you are interested in carpooling down let me know..
  3. I just checked the time on that last post... The clock is not wrong :shock:
  4. Man, either the clock is off on this thing or you think of some rather strange things at 3am in the morning...
  5. I have stayed at the Pickwick Inn the last couple of times I have been to the park.. Last year I think it was $65 a night.. Really nice digs.. Got a restaurant there.. Buffet was pretty good.. I think those rates were off season rates.. I recommend it..
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    ok..let me take a look.. anybody else game?? if toss out a date.. I can go pretty much any time
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    What i was proposing was a trip in addition to the anniversary hikes in April
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    I personally could be persuaded to make a trip to Shiloh between now and the end of January if we had some smart folks in the group that would be willing to lead a hike..
  9. I have Steve's email address should anyone need it...
  10. This is a very interesting conversation... What is being presented here totally goes against the grain of what I had always thought.. That was that the burial trenches dated back to the first few days after the battle.. Now, I need someone to help me out here.. If I remember correctly are not the park historians using the presence or absence of rebel burial trenches to determine the ferocity of the fighting in that area?? For example, three trenches are within rock throwing distance of the Shiloh Church.. Well, actually four if you count the one on the back side of Rhea Field.. According to the theory this proves there was fierce fighting in that area... Part of the argument against the Hornet's Nest fighting being the most severe on the field was the absence of known rebel burial trenches in the vicinity of the nest.. Now, the way I understand this thread is that these trenches were not dug until after the war and populated with bones and and other items found in the original graves.. If this is the case does this not blow the theory regarding the presence of burial trenches=Fierce fighting out of the water?? Seems to me like it does not only do that but blows it completely up on the bank.. As morbid as it sounds if you are simply riding around throwing bones in a wagon and when you get a load haul it to a burial trench somewhere you could be gathering up bones all over the field.. The nearest trench where you decide to deposit the load could be determined by where the nearest bale of hay is to feed the horses.. The location of the burial trenches means absolutely nothing in the historical context of the battle.. Have I got the gist of this thread or am I missing something here?? Your Servant Rebel PS.. I have read and always thought that the rebel burial trench just north of the Crossroads was the largest trench and the one that contained about 700 bodies.. There are two almost side by side in this area.. I am talking about the one closest to the church.. This is also the one that is interpreted.. The sign shows a drawing of large ditch with bodies piled in it.. If this thread is correct that drawing is not correct..
  11. Well, it was my thought that the current rebel mass graves were dug right after the battle.. There are as many as 6 more that may be out there that cannot be found.. I knew the federals were buried in mass graves and moved after the war.. I thought the Rebels were put in the mass graves on the 8th, 9th and 10th and left where they were.. Rebel
  12. I have been following this thread with a lot of interest.. It is a very good discussion.. For the record you can still see the location of many of the mass union graves in the park.. There is a marker identifying the location of the 9th Illinois (for example).. Nearby you can see an sunken spot in the ground where the grave was.. I always found that a little disconcerting.. Now, I need a point of clarification.. The way I am reading all of this is that the CSA burial trenches were dug several years after the battle?? Is that correct?? It was my understanding that these trenches were dug within the next couple of days after the battle.. and were several feet deep before the bodies were placed in it.. In fact, the ground penetrating radar that was used on one of the trenches several years ago showed the bodies starting about three feet down.. Am I mistaken in all of this?? Your Confused Servant Rebel
  13. You spoke volumes with the statement of a great site getting better because of it's members.. I was one of the first ones on here and I never imagined that the board would get so good and informative..
  14. I would like to take a moment to weigh in on the Prentiss issue. Last year at the beginning of one of the battlefield hikes an individual called Mr Prentiss a "fraud". I felt this statement was totally unnecessary and it really set my teeth on edge.. During the past ten or fifteen years research had been done that pretty much concludes that the Nest probably did not play the pivotal role in the battle that had been believed for the past 125 years.. However, does this new information make Prentiss, Reed and all the rest liars and frauds?? To answer this question I think we need to look at the battle through their eyes.. Those troops were lined up on a dirt road in the middle of a thicket.. Mr Grant ordered them to hold the ground at all hazards. In attempting to do so they held off seven confederate attacks and endured a bombardment that must have sounded like Armageddon. When they surrendered at Cloud Field practically half of the Confederate Army was in the vicinity. Meanwhile Grant, Sherman and all the rest were huddled near the landing.. They were the last ones standing. They had done what Grant had asked them to do.. All available evidence pointed to fact that they had held up the attack.. They knew full well that after their surrender it was too late for the Confederates to mount an attack at the landing.. They learned what happened the next day.. In their minds they bought Grant the time for Buell to come up and the Union to prevail on April 7th. All of this was without a doubt reinforced over and over.. As an earlier post pointed out Prentiss was hailed "The Hero of Shiloh" by Halleck. It is my understanding that this would have to be a lot like being anointed by God. Of course, in the last few years evidence has pointed to the fact that a lot of folks worked to save Grant's bacon that day.. If Stuart had not done what he done in the ravines, Sherman at the Crossroads, or Prentiss in the center Mr Grant would likely not enjoy the fame he has today.. Does this new evidence suggest fraud? My definition of fraud includes deliberate deceit and trickery. Not sure that happened in this case.. I think Prentiss, Reed, et al were mistaken. They took credit for something they believed to be true. All evidence pointed to the fact that it was true.. In fact, it was a belief that was held by practically everyone for 130 years.. For modern historians to embark on character assasinations like this one that appears to be leveled against Mr Prentiss is just plain wrong. Your Obedient Servant Rebel
  15. We met Bjorn at Tour Stop 14 near Bloody Pond. It was a very chilly morning with a fairly stiff wind blowing. Like many in the group for the first half of the hike I was trying to do a balancing act between finding a sunny spot, a windbreak and being able to hear Bjorn's presentation. A task that ultimately proved near impossible. Bjorn started the hike by briefly discussing the history of the artillery. I did not realize that the artillery was a specialized branch of the service and artillery men were considered specialists. As we all know, on the night of April 6 & 7 the Union army was heavily reinforced. On the morning of April 7th the goal of both Grant and Buell was to find the enemy and attack. The confederate forces on the other hand had done very little to resupply or consolidate the gains of April 6th. In fact, only Preston Pond and elements of Forrest's Calvary remained in close contact with the enemy during the night of April 6 & 7. The attack of the next morning could hardly be described as a steamroller or juggernaught. Neither Grant or Buell was in any mood for a repeat of the debacle of the day before. As a result great care was taken to insure all elements of the army remain connected as the battle line stretched across the field. Consequently, the line moved in fits and starts as troops were brought up to fill gaps in the widening line. Also, some units had to wait until slower units caught up. Until their arrival in Wicker Field Buell's troops had encountered light resistance. At the south end of Wicker Field resistance increased considerably. Confederate artillery was wreaking a good bit of havoc on the Union troops. Since at this point Buell had no artillery this threatened to stall the Union advance in this sector. As you may recall Buell sent his infantry ahead of the artillery to get as many men to the field as fast as possible. All of this changed with the arrival of Terrill's Battery at the landing around 9am. Battery H consisted of four 12 pound Napoleon and two 10 pound Parrot Rifles. An hour later they arrived at the front near Bloody Pond ready to fight. Within two minutes the artillerymen had unlimbered their weapons and began firing. Their second shot hit a rebel caisson causing a spectacular explosion With artillery support the Union troops could advance. The fighting became very intense near the Peach Orchard. East of the Peach Orchard Terrill's Battery was dueling over the heads of their own troops with two confederate batteries on the Hamburg Purdy Road. Near the ravine where the 9th Illinois had met their demise the day before skirmishers from the 6th Ohio were meeting considerable resistance from Confederates within that ravine. To change this situation and get the line moving again Captain Terrill limbered up his battery and took it to the skirmish line. Here he began blasting the confederates in the ravine with canister. Needless to say this tactic, though effective, was not standard artillery procedure. Since they were on the skirmish line casualties among the artillerymen began to mount. When the rebels began to counterattack the Union skirmishers began to retreat leaving the guns alone. To his credit Captain Terrill did not panic. He sent back all guns with the exception of two Napoleons. To help every one get back safely he used a tactic called "Retreat by Prolong". He actually tied the guns to the caisson by a large rope. The horses pulled the caisson and cannon back toward the Union lines at a walk. As they went Captain Terrill serviced one weapon by himself. A sergeant and a couple of other men fired the other. Using double canister these two guns effectively acted as their own skirmish line. Shortly after their safe arrival back at the Union lines more artillery began to arrive. The fighting became chaotic and bloody. The lines of the opposing forces became very fluid. Gradually, the confederates were pushed back through the Mule Lot ravine. By this point the confederate retreat had begun. The battle was effectively over. After the battle everyone began singing the praises of Captain Terrill and his men. The battery had served with distinction and was described in one report as "A Host Among Themselves" Because of his actions Rufus Terrill received the appointment as a Brigadier General of Volunteers in the Union Army. This was a promotion he did not seek or necessarily wanted. He would have preferred to remain a Captain in the regular army and stay with his command. However, as Bjorn pointed out, when the President of the United States appoints you a Brigadier General it is something you do not refuse. General Terrill's career came to an end when he was killed at the Battle of Perryville while trying to rally his brigade in the face of a confederate attack. The Terrill family suffered heavily during the war.. Terrill's younger brother James was killed in action at Bethesda Church. Another brother, Phillip was killed near Winchester VA. Both of these brothers served with the Confederate Army. Terrill's father and another brother also fought for the south and survived the war.. At this time we returned to the area near the 9th Illinois Monument. One of the cannons near this point is an actual "witness tube'. In other words this tube actually fought at Shiloh at the very place where it is now displayed. Respectively Submitted Rebel
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