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  1. Perry; You mention a delay in the confederate attack after the death of General Johnston. Please consider this. The attack I referred to was the attack that began at 2:00 pm and was led by Johnston, Gov. Harris, Gen. Breckinridge, Gen Withers and the brigade commanders. I have noticed and contend that any civil war attack took, on average, about 30 minutes from the time the soldiers stepped out to the time the fragments ran back. This attack started at 2 pm and was over by 2:30. Johnston was mortally wounded at the time the attack was over. The troops retired to places of safety and a lull occurred. This lull was a natural pause because of the fizzled attack but many have considered this lull in the fighting to be the result of Johnston's death. This was not the case. It was the natural result of a failed attack. I have studied the battle action and in this area, no pause or lull occurred for greater than 30 minutes and by this time Bragg had arrived and was organizing a further advance. By 3:30, the rebels of Chalmers', Jackson's, Bowen's, Statham's and Stephen's brigades were attacking and pushing Hurlbut's division back through the Wicker field. [b:0f022c4fbf] The 30 minute delay that I find in the attack was caused by the death of Johnston and Bragg's need to organize for a renewed attack. I'm interested in your thoughts. Ron[/b:0f022c4fbf]
  2. The story of rebel intelligence activities is told in the several books and the Official Records concerning the Battle of Shiloh. It is told in fragments and must be pieced together by the reader to get a comprehensive understanding of their efforts. Cavalry was used chiefly to scout the union positions and also they were used in picket duty near the federal camps. The local citizens also provided some info to a lesser degree. All of the Shiloh books mention cavalry and scout operations again in an unconnected manner. I found the Official Records to be a better source of info. Both armies knew where the other was but the confederates had a more complete picture of the union camps. You are right in that the intelligence acquired by both armies was imperfect and flawed. Untrained scouts and cavalry can mis-identify the numbers of a army unit as happened by Capt. Lockert when he called Stuart's brigade a division. Information coming from local civilians could have been flawed by untrained observers. The terrain and the roads caused the confederate to attack on the union right center of the battlefield (Shiloh Church plateau) but the attack Quickly spread east to the Spain field, Sarah Bell cottonfield and the McCuller field. Terrain helped to channel the forces into certain areas of the field while also concealing other troops. The confederate attack did seem to lose direction, going to the center and not the union left flank as planned. The role of General Albert Johnston to redirect the rebel direction of attack is little understood and appreciated. He contributed much to push the attack. The attack launched at 2:00 pm by Johnston was directed and led by him up the River road against Stuart's men east of the River road and McArthur's brigade and Hurlbut's division in the peach orchard. This attack was going up the River road actually as planned in prebattle planning but his death caused a slowing of the attack and then the rebels got diverted to the west of the River road, Wicker field area. The last comment is that some intel was faulty at the worst.
  3. Jim: The beauty and mystic of the Battle of Shiloh is the many possibilities of a "what if" alternative situation. These thoughts keep us interested and wondering. I am not aware of an alternative history book of the battle. Ron
  4. Art: I like it very much. Now just let me visualize it, hhhhmmmmm, YES, I LIKE IT-----"THE DARNED YANKEE WILLIAM T SHERMAN FIRESTATION'. Yes, that's it. Great idea. :idea: What is this??????? There is no fire fighting equipment inside, only matches! :oops: I thought you meant a firefighting station. It appears this one is a fire- setting station. :evil: Oh, allright, I'm out of here before Art retaliates.
  5. Hello Art: Any Shiloh topic is open and fair game as long as the conversation is informational for all. I enjoy reading and writing about Bragg and Beauregard, these two leaders from history who are interesting if not always correct. If anything, they made it interesting. Both of them from Louisiana, right Art? I also encourage and welcome imput and questions from others, those who may raise a topic from a viewpoint new to me. I have found that, when playing chess, I experienced interesting and unique moves and strategy from the new player. They made it interesting and drove me crazy :evil: . (We won't go into the crazy part) I ask anybody to join the discussion, I look forward to their imput. I very much agree with Perry that this Forum should be informative and educational for all but specially those who may be learning about the battle. Their questions can be most stimulating . Ron
  6. I agree with Perry and also give thanks for a good friendly discussion group. I also agree with Dan about not being able to chat when another member is on-line. Agreed that we need to encourage all to participate in the discussions and to post new topics they are interested in. I also have the feeling I'm posting too often and so we need the support of others. Can guests post to the group without signing in? I am interested where the other members are located and request at least a city or their state. This only to get a idea of the diversity of the members. Perry, Thanks for all and if I ever see you at Shiloh, I promise to buy you the largest cup of coffee you ever saw. Ron
  7. Hello Everyone 9 pm (21:00 hours) is fine for me. Sunday evening is good but open for others evenings if necessary. Topic suggestions 1. Fighting at crossroads (Western Corinth road and Hamburg-Puirdy road. 2. Jones field fighting and movement towards the Tilghman Branch ravine. 3. Duncan field including Ruggles Artillery line. 4. Second day fighting. 5. Sherman's defence of the Shiloh Church plateaua and rebel flanking drives. There are more. Thanks to all for the enjoyable night talking the 2:00 pm attack. Ron
  8. Jim: The 15th and 16th Iowa regiments arrived after the battle started at Pittsburgh landing and were sent forward to the Jones field where they took part in the fighting in Jones field and the union camps below, and also in the trees above the Woolf field. The fighting ended here about 12:30 pm. They did not take part in the fighting in the Spain field under Prentiss. The 15th Michigan also arrived at the landing after the battle started and Colonel John Oliver brought it forward where it was used to extend the line of Miller's union brigade. It had no ammunition as none was issued and the colonel thought he could get a issue while nearer to the front. He failed to get a issue of ammo and after a short attempt to stand in the line of battle, he took the regiment back to the landing where he found ammo. He returned to the battle. Ron
  9. I also saw the Shiloh part of the movie and was surprised that they even included a segment concerning the battle of Shiloh. The cabin scene with the doctors and wounded was obviously one of the cabins at Pittsburg Landing. The movie goofed if they labeled the cabin as Shiloh Cuurch. If Grant was there on the evening of the 6th, he would have been talking to Beauregard and Prentiss. Ron
  10. Mr. Drysdale will be glad to help you part with you money. I mean invest your money in a new download. Ms. Hathaway, leave Jethro alone.
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    Dan; my two cents worth. I never heard of this event before, anywhere. It sounds like a good story but perhaps, that is what it is. The fighting at the crossroads was very intense and heavy. The thought of a regiment marching past the combatants is hard to believe. If it did happen, it would be well known in civil war literature, well documented. Never the less, I hope you can verify this as an actual occurance. On further reflection, I now believe this story may be based on a regiment that was moved, to change its position during the fighting. A new position but not moving on the road itself, but moving through the fields and probably behind the lines. This seems a better possibility and certainly, more likely. Ron
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