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  1. WI16thJim

    Shiloh Battlefield Tour

    It has been a few years since I've done the driving tour, so I figured It was time. First stop, of course, is the Visitor Center to pick up a tour map Tour Stop #1 Grant's Last Line Tour Stop #2 Confederate Monument Tour Stop #3 Duncan Field Tour stop #4 Ruggles' Battery Tour Stop #5 Shiloh Church Tour Stop #6 Rhea Field Tour Stop #7 Fraley Field Tour Stop #8 Confederates Gain Ground Tour Stop #9 Invasion of the Union Camps Tour Stop # ? 16th WI Vol Inf Tour Stop #10 Hornets' Nest Tour Stop # ? Wisconsin Monument Tour Stop #11 Shiloh's Casualties Tour Stop #12 Jones Field This one is between Tour Stop #12 and #13 Tour Stop #13 Water Oaks Pond Tour Stop #14 Field Hospital Tour Stop #15 Death of General Johnston Tour Stop #16 The Peach Orchard Tour Stop #17 Bloody Pond Tour Stop #18 Dill Branch Ravin Tour Stop #19 Grant's Left Flank Tour Stop #20 Pittsburg Landing And the National Cemetery:
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    Color Bearer

    Lucky?
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    WI Monument

    Just fine, as far as I ever heard. I've reports of the storm damage and never heard of anything done to it. I think most of the damage was near the Visitor Center area. Jim
  4. Dang good thing ya posted this Bruce. The NPS 's Shiloh web site's schedule section has been down for the last two days! Jim
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    Shiloh Battlefield Tour

    When they started the new signs, I decided to wait until they were all done and get pictures all at once (Yeah, right, I'm such a great photographer, I had to go back for two reshoots!). I was waiting to find out what this was going to be: When I was there last week, there was a big, green, ugly metal box there and I thought it was an electrical junction box. Wrong! So then when I was at Tour Stop#7 with Jeani Cantrell I noticed this down in Fraley Field: And then when I was in the National Cemetery I found this: They've hid em all over the Park, I guess. Jim
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    Navy

    This isn't really Shiloh related, but the author Chuck Veit was at the Park today and suggested these websites. On the 1st one, go down and click on the flag. http://www.usnlp.org/ http://www.navyandmarine.org/ Jim
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    Navy

    I've never seen it in that form. The last page of the 16th seems to be missing, the losses if Co. I & K. http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm/ref/collection/quiner/id/49823 Jim
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    Navy

    Oz, I had a feeling you would like this. Jim
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    Shiloh Battlefield Tour

    Ozzy, sorry, I wasn't ignoring your post, just missed it somehow. There seems to be a rethinking of the battle that includes what areas are called. There is some question as to whether the Bloody Pond should be called that at all and I've even heard some question if it even existed at the time of the battle. I tend to not notice a lot of things that don't include the 16th WI, so my opinion is limited. Jim
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    Shiloh Battlefield Tour

    Belle, you do realize that all of the info signs are new, right? Jim
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    Shiloh's other participants

    Shiloh's other Particpants.pdf Jim
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    Friends of Shiloh

    Some locals and the Park are reactivating this group. Friends of Shiloh App pg 1.pdf Friends of Shiloh App pg 2.pdf Jim
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    April 8 "Living Images" program

    Downloaded just fine to my old laptop. Jim
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    Horses & Mules At Shiloh--A Manure Index

    Y'all do know this subject stinks to high heaven! Jim
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    U. S. Grant

    Do kids pick up smoking because their parents did? A question I've often contemplated. Both of my parents smoked. Out of eight kids, four of us smoked and four did not. Who to blame for the smokers? Unknown! Jim
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    NPS Histories

    Stacy Allen suggested I might find Ed Bearss' 1973 Base Map Report online. I did, with a few extras! http://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/parkhistories.htm Jim
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    Little eagles!!

    There will be no eaglets in 2016. According to scuttlebutt, due to Julia's advancing age, Hiram has cast his gaze upon a young female who has moved into the area, creating a Peyton Place - Shiloh style situation. Jim
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    Greetings from Ohio

    Dave, welcome to the SDG. When posting a new topic, look at the bottom of the page for button for Attach Files "Choose Files." If your replying, click the button at the bottom for "More Reply Options." and then the button for Attach Files at the bottom. Jim
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    Research @ Shiloh

    No, Stacy is still with the Park. Jim
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    Research @ Shiloh

    Another excellent resource is the library at the Corinth Civil War Interpretive Center. Jim
  21. From the American Civil War web site: http://www.civilwar-online.com/ At 3:00pm in the afternoon of February 14, 1862, Flag Officer Andrew H. Foote led four ironclad gunboats forward to attack the river battery at Fort Donelson. Foote was in the St. Louis and was joined by the Carondelet, the Louisville, and the Pittsburg. Behind Foote, further back, the wooden gunboats Lexington, Conestoga, and Tyler fired in support at long range. The water battery at Fort Donelson was designed to stop enemy vessels from passing the fort on the Cumberland River. It was armed much like Fort Henry with "ten 32-pounder guns (two of them ship carronades), one 8-inch howitzer, two nondescript 9-pounders, one 10-inch Columbiad, and one rifled gun throwing a conical shell of 128 pounds" with most of these guns probably salvaged from Gosport navy yard, but the resemblance ended there. Whereas Fort Henry had been built on a low floodplain next to the Tennessee River, Fort Donelson's water battery was built into the face of a bluff that overlooked the Cumberland River, giving its gunners a slight height advantage that would be important in the fight to come. Fort Donelson was also equipped with another new technology: a telegraph, and that fact led to what might be a first in military history: the "live" broadcast of a battle in progress for the benefit of an audience nearly one hundred miles away. This amazing series of telegrams began when the Confederate defenders spotted the arrival of federal reinforcements, including three more ironclads, giving Foote a total of four "turtles" to lead his attack. [Telegram.] FORT DONELSON, February 14, 1862. The enemy have reached the ground near the fort with eight or ten gunboats, I am uncertain which, and fifteen transports, reported to have on board near 20,000 men. They are now landing. This makes their force nearly 40,000 strong. I will fight them this evening. JNO. B. FLOYD, Brigadier-General General JOHNSTON. [Telegram.] FORT DONELSON, February 14, 1862. The enemy are assaulting us with a most tremendous cannonade from gunboats abreast the batteries, becoming general around the whole line. I will make the best defense in my power. JNO. B. FLOYD. Brigadier-General General JOHNSTON. Operator at Donelson says gunboats passed and are right on him. [G.W.] TRABUE, Superintendent. [Telegram.] FORT DONELSON, February 14, 1862. The fort holds out. Three gunboats have retired. Only one firing now. JNO. B. FLOYD, Brigadier-General. General JOHNSTON. [Telegram.] FORT DONELSON, February 14, 1862. The fort can not hold out twenty minutes. Our river batteries working admirably. Four gunboats advancing abreast. JNO. B. FLOYD, Brigadier-General, C. S. Army. General JOHNSTON. [Telegram.] FORT DONELSON, February 14, 1862. The gunboats have been driven back. Two, it is said, seriously injured. I think the fight is over to-day. JNO. B. FLOYD, Brigadier-General, C. S. Army. General A. S. JOHNSTON. [Telegram.] NASHVILLE, February 14, 1862. The following dispatch just received from Fort Donelson: We have just had the fiercest fight on record between our guns and ten gun-boats, which lasted two hours. They reached within less than 200 yards of our batteries. We drove them back, damaging two of them badly and crippled a third very badly. No damage done to our battery and not a man killed. GID. J. PILLOW, Commander. N. WICKLIFFE, Assistant Adjutant-General. General POLK. [Telegram.] EDGEFIELD, [TENN.], February 14, 1862. If you lose the fort, bring your troops to Nashville if possible. A.S. JOHNSTON, General. General FLOYD, Fort Donelson. There is something incredibly human in the little personal note slipped in by the telegraph operator at Donelson and forwarded by the operator in Nashville. For a moment the engagement had looked like it would be another victory for Foote's gunboats like the one at Fort Henry, but then a few things went wrong for the federals. Here's a description of the battle from the Union perspective from "The Western Flotilla" by Henry Walke, U.S. Navy: At 11:30 on the night of the 13th Flag-Officer Foote arrived below Fort Donelson with the iron-clads St. Louis, Louisville, and Pittsburgh, and the wooden gun-boats Tyler and Conestoga. On the 14th all the hard materials in the vessels, such as chains, lumber, and bags of coal, were laid on the upper decks to protect them from the plunging shots of the enemy. At 3 o'clock in the afternoon our fleet advanced to attack the fort, the Louisville being on the west side of the river, the St. Louis (flag-steamer) next, then the Pittsburgh and Carondelet on the east side of the river. The wooden gun-boats were about a thousand yards in the rear. When we started in line abreast at a moderate speed, the Louisville and Pittsburgh, not keeping up to their positions, were hailed from the flag-steamer to "steam up." At 3:30, when about a mile and a half from the fort, two shots were fired at us, both falling short. When within a mile of the fort the St. Louis opened fire, and the other iron-clads followed, slowly and deliberately at first, but more rapidly as the fleet advanced. The flag-officer hailed the Carondelet, and ordered us not to fire so fast. Some of our shells went over the fort, and almost into our camp beyond. As we drew nearer, the enemy's fire greatly increased in force and effect. But, the officers and crew of the Carondelet having recently been long under fire, and having become practiced in fighting, her gunners were as cool and composed as old veterans. We heard the deafening crack of the bursting shells, the crash of the solid shot, and the whizzing of fragments of shell and wood as they sped through the vessel. Soon a 128-pounder struck our anchor, smashed it into flying bolts, and bounded over the vessel, taking away a part of our smoke-stack; then another cut away the iron boat-davits as if they were pipe-stems, whereupon the boat dropped into the water. Another ripped up the iron plating and glanced over; another went through the plating and lodged in the heavy casemate; another struck the pilot-house, knocked the plating to pieces, and sent fragments of iron and splinters into the pilots, one of whom fell mortally wounded, and was taken below; another shot took away the remaining boat-davits and the boat with them; and still they came, harder and faster, taking flag-staffs and smoke-stacks, and tearing off the side armor as lightning tears the bark from a tree. Our men fought desperately, but, under the excitement of the occasion, loaded too hastily, and the port rifled gun exploded. One of the crew, in his account of the explosion soon after it occurred, said: "I was serving the gun with shell. When it exploded it knocked us all down, killing none, but wounding over a dozen men and spreading dismay and confusion among us. For about two minutes I was stunned, and at least five minutes elapsed before I could tell what was the matter. When I found out that I was more scared than hurt, although suffering from the gunpowder which I had inhaled, I looked forward and saw our gun lying on the deck, split in three pieces. Then the cry ran through the boat that we were on fire, and my duty as pump-man called me to the pumps. While I was there, two shots enter our bow-ports and killed four men and wounded several others. They were borne past me, three with their heads off. The sight almost sickened me, and I turned my head away. Our master's mate came soon after and ordered us to our quarters at the gun. I told him the gun had burst, and that we had caught fire on the upper deck from the enemy's shell. He then said: 'Never mind the fire; go to your quarters.' Then I took a station at the starboard tackle of another rifled bow-gun and remained there until the close of the fight." The carpenter and his men extinguished the flames. When within four hundred yards of the fort, and while the Confederates were running from their lower battery, our pilot-house was struck again and another pilot wounded, our wheel was broken, and shells from the rear boats were bursting over us. All four of our boats were shot away and dragging in the water. On looking out to bring our broadside guns to bear, we saw that the other gun-boats were rapidly falling back out of line. The Pittsburgh in her haste to turn struck the stern of the Carondelet, and broke our starboard rudder, so that we were obliged to go ahead to clear the Pittsburgh and the point of rocks below. The pilot of the St. Louis was killed, and the pilot of the Louisville was wounded. Both vessels had their wheel-ropes shot away, and the men were prevented from steering the Louisville with the tiller-ropes at the stern by the shells from the rear boats bursting over them. The St. Louis and Louisville, becoming unmanageable, were compelled to drop out of battle, and the Pittsburgh followed; all had suffered severely from the enemy's fire. Flag-Officer Foote was wounded while standing by the pilot of the St. Louis when he was killed. We were then about 350 yards from the fort. There was no alternative for the Carondelet in that narrow steam but to keep her head to the enemy and fire into the fort with her two bow-guns, to prevent it, if possible, from returning her fire effectively. The enemy saw that she was in a manner left to his mercy, and concentrated the fire of all his batteries upon her. In return, the Carondelet's guns were well served to the last shot. Our new acting gunner, John Hall, was just the man for the occasion. He came forward, offered his services, and with my sanction took charge of the starboard-bow rifled gun. He instructed the men to obey his warnings and follow his motions, and he told them that when he saw a shot coming he would call out "Down" and stoop behind the breech of the gun as he did so; at the same instant the men were to stand away from the bow-ports. Nearly every shot from the fort struck the bows of the Carondelet. Most of them were fired on the ricochet level, and could be plainly seen skipping on the water before they struck. The enemy's object was to sink the gun-boat by striking her just below the water-line. They soon succeeded in planting two 32-pound shots in her bow, between wind and water, which made her leak badly, but her compartments kept her from sinking until we could plug up the shot-holes. Three shots struck the starboard casemating; four struck the port casemating forward of the rifle-gun; one struck on the starboard side, between the water-line and plank-sheer, cutting through the planking; six shots struck the pilot-house, shattering one section into pieces and cutting through the iron casing. The smoke-stacks were riddled. Our gunners kept up a constant firing while we were falling back; and the warning words, "Look out!" "Down!" were often heard, and heeded by nearly all the gun-crews. On one occasion, while the men were at the muzzle of the middle bow-gun, loading it, the warning came just in time for them to jump aside as a 32-pounder struck the lower sill, and glancing up struck the upper sill, then, falling on the inner edge of the lower sill, bounded on deck and spun around like a top, but hurt no one. It was very evident that if the men who were loading had not obeyed the order to drop, several of them would have been killed. So I repeated the instructions and warned the men at the guns and the crew generally to bow or stand off from the ports when a shot was seen coming. But some of the young men, from a spirit of bravado or from a belief in the doctrine of fatalism, disregarded the instructions, saying it was useless to attempt to dodge a cannon-ball, and they would trust to luck. The warning words, "Look out!" "Down!" were again soon heard; down went the gunner and his men, as the whizzing shot glanced on the gun, taking off the gunner's cap and the heads of two of the young men who trusted to luck, and in defiance of the order were standing up or passing behind him. This shot killed another man also, who was at the last gun of the starboard side, and disabled the gun. It came in with a hissing sound; three sharp spats and a heavy bang told the sad fate of three brave comrades. Before the decks were well sanded, there was so much blood on them that our men could not work the guns without slipping. We kept firing at the enemy so long as he was within range, to prevent him from seeing us through the smoke. The Carondelet was the first in and the last out of the fight, and was more damaged than any of the other gunboats, as the boat-carpenters who repaired them subsequently informed me. She was much longer under fire than any other vessel of the flotilla; and, according to the report of the Secretary of the Navy, her loss in killed and wounded was nearly twice as great as that of all the other gunboats together. She fired more shot and shell into Fort Donelson than any other gun-boat, and was struck fifty-four times. These facts are given because a disposition was shown by correspondents and naval historians to ignore the services of the Carondelet on this and other occasions. In the action of the 14th all of the armored vessels were fought with the greatest energy, skill, and courage, until disabled by the enemy's heavy shot. In his official report of the battle the flag-officer said: "The officers and men in this hotly contested but unequal fight behaved with the greatest gallantry and determination." Although the gun-boats were repulsed in this action, the demoralizing effect of their cannonade, and of the heavy and well-sustained fire of the Carondelet on the day before, must have been very great, and contributed in no small degree to the successful operations of the army on the following day. After the battle I called upon the flag-officer, and found him suffering from his wounds. He asked me if I could have run past the fort, something I should not have ventured upon without permission. Foote had pressed in too close and too soon. At point blank range the plunging fire of the Confederate guns had been too much for the 2.5 inch thick armor of his boats. Although no serious or lasting damage was done to Foote's boats, they were knocked out and forced to withdraw. Fortunately, Foote and his men were fighting upstream into the current, and when knocked out they simply drifted backwards out of range and to safety. Grant and Foote had their answer: the Confederates in Donelson would not be cowed into an early surrender by gunboats. Jim
  22. Two Jan. 28. 1862 messages to Gen. Halleck: CAIRO, January 28, 1862. Major-General HALLECK. St. Louis, Mo. Commanding General Grant and myself are of the opinion that Fort Henry, on the Tennessee River, can be carried with four ironclad gunboats and troops, and be permanently occupied. Have we your authority to move for that purpose when ready? A. H. FOOTE, Flag- Officer. And the second: CAIRO, January 28, 1862. Maj. Gen. H. W. HALLECK, Saint Louis Mo.: With permission, I will take Fort Henry, on the Tennessee, and establish and hold a large camp there. U.S. GRANT, Brigadier General. Jim
  23. From the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.../01/gJQAZjhT7U_blog.html By Linda Wheeler A replica of a manned balloon like the ones used in the Civil War for reconnaissance is scheduled for liftoff on July 4 from a museum near Rochester, N.Y. — but only if an adequate supply of helium can be found. It turns out helium is hard to find because of the 1996 Helium Privatization Act that called for the government to sell off most of its reserve by 2015. Genesee County Village & Museum president Peter Arnold made an appeal recently for helium so the museum’s $350,000 project can get off the ground. He said in a telephone interview that he had been offered assistance from staff at the Smithsonian and also from a physics laboratory in Virginia. However, he won’t know until next week if either will work out. “All we have now is the possibility of being able to get the helium,” he said. “Other than that, we are ready to go.” The balloon is named the Intrepid after one of the Union’s balloons used to spy on Confederate activity. The name is on one side and a giant eagle with a 35-foot wing span is painted on the other. Arnold said the museum took on the project as a way to participate in the war’s sesquicentennial and because it was in keeping with the time period of its authentic 19th century village, the third largest collection of historic buildings in the country. For the 4th of July weekend, a Civil War encampment is planned, with the launching of the balloon as the main event. Jim PS I wonder if they have considered the option of sending the balloon to Washington and filling it full of hot air. Washington seems to have an oversupply.
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    Hey! Look over there...

    I believe Halleck had a tendency to dislike subordinates having too much success, which limited their effectiveness. Jim
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    Map Case for either Trailhead or the Reed Maps

    I bought another map @ the bookstore. It is definitely larger than the 2 the CWT sent me: The CWT map fits in the case and was free, has all the same info as the $10 bookstore one. Guess which one I prefer! Jim
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