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Stan Hutson

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  1. I know there are 2 big national reenactments planned for next year. One of the events is being held on this property and word is after that it will no longer be available, naturally, for such events. There was some concern that all of a sudden that land would be a no-go for the event, but that is not the case. Nice to have one last reenactment on it, the 150th no less, then preserve it for posterity.


  2. Yeah the addition of new roads, while I like being able to easily visit other parts of the battlefield via driving rather than walking, not "too" crazy about new roads being paved. Shiloh will never again be the way it was at the time of the battle, but it would be nice if it was close to the original look. I think clearing out trees where none existed during the battle would/could bring new understanding to the battle. I am not sure of the exact nature of what is going on, but my father took a trip recently and went by Chickamauga. He is not a real history buff, but he said they were clearing timber in several areas on the battlefield. Not sure the how, who, when, where, why of it, but would be curious if the NPS at Chick, and possibly in the future at Shiloh, intend to do this very thing. But again, the tree clearing operations he saw could have been for a variety of reasons.


  3. Wow, that is pretty neat. It sure looks like you can see the outline of the field. It would be interesting to know when that portion of Rhea field was, for lack of a better term, abandoned and left to grow up in trees and underbrush. I am going to have to bust out the book by Tim Smith on Shiloh after the battle and its transformation into a park, but I don't "think" it makes any reference to it. It is odd though that they let that portion of the field be taken over by nature while keeping the modern area of Rhea field clean and manicured.

    It is too bad the NPS does not hire loggers to come in and harvest the timber. It would stimulate the economy by giving local timber workers a job to do and would return the field to its original shape. The NPS would also have the money from the timber to pay for the labor and anything left over could be extra money for the park. A win-win situation. I know, it won't happen, but I would love to see it!


  4. Mike,

    I guess we did see each other. I was part of the guys with Keith Willingham. In the film I actually portray Joseph Thompson, 38th Tennessee Infantry. During the April filming, they took my brother, myself, and many other guys down to Rhea Springs well after dark. The other guys had been through the make-up department and were portraying the dead. They LITERALLY got the park fire truck and as I sat underneath a tree they sprayed water into the air to simulate the rainy night on the first day of the battle. I was looking around through the flashes of lightning aka flashing hand held lights, while a narrator reads a quote by Thompson. I got soaked, but, it was for a good cause. It is hard to cover the battle in a 30-odd minute film for the visitor center, but what the producers have done is good stuff.

    Perry I have never tried what you are talking about with the maps, but it seems like a neat idea. That could come in handy in the future. And I know what you mean. Shiloh has not changed that much since I was young. Unless I am totally losing my mind, it seems like Stacey Allen said they may show the old film from time to time for reasons of nostalgia.

    Oh, and Mike, if you have a better copy of the Agee image than the one I posted, I would love to have a copy.


  5. Perry,

    Thanks! I have worked for years and years locating images of soldiers killed and wounded at Shiloh and I am always looking for more. If anyone has any pictures of soldiers killed or wounded at Shiloh, I would love to add them to the album(s). Mike, I would LOVE to add your profile pic of Private Agee to the album!

    And Perry thanks for the great post. I think your description plus pictures hits the nail on the head. Clears up in my mind the location of where Sherman was "probably" wounded. Your "crayon" map in particular, HA! Seriously, not much more I can say. Clears it up in my mind as much as it can be given what information we have to go on.

    I was fortunate enough to take part in the new film for the Shiloh visitor center filmed in March and April of this year. And I was lucky enough to see the 3rd version rough cut of the film while doing a living history at Corinth 2 weeks ago. It looks like the film is going to be great, AND, it finally gives long overdue credit and attention to the fighting in other areas at Shiloh rather than focusing on the Hornet's Nest.

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  6. Thanks for the reply Ron. My uncertainty arose from the fact that the 15th Arkansas was deployed as skirmishers for Cleburne's brigade. It would seem that the men on the extreme right of the 15th Ark. were the ones who spotted Sherman. I can't recall now off the top of my head how large Rhea field was during the battle. Some of the rangers at the park had "mentioned" that the NPS had the desire to cut down trees on the south end of Rhea field to return it to its wartime appearance---not sure if that will ever happen though.

    Ron, I think we are on the same page. It would seem to me that Sherman was (viewing the park as it is today), in between the burial trench in Rhea field and the 2 gun section of Waterhouse, on the high ground, which would afford him a good vantage point as it is stated he was watching the Confederates on the south end of Rhea when the 15th Ark. popped out of the woods. And as you say, there are not any "known" specific records, so I guess it will always be a matter of theoretical conjecture and good guesstimation!


  7. Mike,

    That is what I had always thought as far as where Sherman was wounded, near Waterhouse's forward battery, or rather what I had been told or read in books. Every time I have read this it, to me, doesn't make logical sense. If this were the case, the 15th Arkansas would have had the 53rd Ohio TOTALLY outflanked, making the position of the 53rd untenable. If that makes sense, I know without pictures, etc., it takes a heavy knowledge of the ground to visualize what I am talking about.

    I see what you are saying about the trail, would be highly interested to know where it came out at in relation to Rhea Field proper. It could have been somewhere in between Waterhouse's main gun section and the pieces he sent forward. Depending on the length of the trail, the trail "could" have been short and may have been much closer to Shiloh Church. I guess the exact specifications of what was technically Rhea Field during the battle would be helpful.

    When Sherman received the wound to the hand in Rhea Field, the same volley killed his orderly Thomas Holliday.


  8. I have been a student of Shiloh for 20 years, but still get baffled by the simple detail of where was Sherman wounded----referring to the actual spot in Rhea Field---as far as can be deduced. I have never received the same answer from books, park rangers, or any source for that matter. If he was wounded near the camp/position of the 53rd Ohio, then why did the 15th Arkansas, who is credited with wounding Sherman, how did they not become engaged with the 53rd? Or better yet, if the 15th popped out on the west side of the field, well in my mind they would have had the 53rd Ohio outflanked IF Sherman was wounded near the camp of the 53rd.

    During the battle, Rhea field extended further south than it does today. Even if Sherman was out in front (south) of the camp of the 53rd (which is now thick woods), I don't see how the 15th Ark. could have drifted so far west in their attack. The 15th Ark. ended up further west with Cleburne and the rest of the brigade, while the 6th Miss and 23rd Tenn. went nose to nose with the 53rd.

    This may be clear as mud, but any opinions would be appreciated!

    Stan

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