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  1. "They also serve, who stand and wait..."

    Fifth Iowa Cavalry Volunteers (Curtis Horse was recruited from Nebraska) 1) February 15, by order of Gen. Grant, Lt Col Patrick and Capt West, Von Minden and Haw, with 100 men, marched up Tennesee River and destroyed the bridge of the Memphis and Ohio, thus preventing reinforcements of rebels coming from Memphis to Ft. Donelson. 2) March 11, 1862, Battle of Paris, Tennesee. 1)
  2. It's just a quiz...

    1) Tennesee (38) 2) Forrest (wounded at Fallen Timbers) 3) Vigenère cipher 4) Prentiss
  3. Ozzy Thanks, as always, for the interesting references. I doubt that Patrick Gregg participated in the Utah Mormon War of 57-58, though he may have had a role in the Illinois Mormon War of 1838. Gregg was the Mayor of Rock Island in 57-58. Gregg and Knox were strong supporters of Edward Bonney. Knox and Gregg had a long association on other issues. I have received the Lilly Library manuscript copy of Banditti and am working through it. I have attached a transcription of a letter from Gregg to Bonney while the latter was incarcerated in Springfield on apparently bogus charges. Even Governor Ford supported Bonney. Rbn3 Manuscript of Banditti of the Prairies by Edward Bonney p 251-2 Gregg to Bonney 2 Jan 1846.pdf
  4. The second: "Never reveal the second." I am the only person, excepting his brother Abe, to whom Roger revealed the second rule. Rbn3
  5. Ozzy, Of course going from the general to the specific back to the general is what historians do. Some even make money at it. Frederick Jackson Turner made it to a Harvard chair from Portage, Wisconsin, by riding his "myths" of sectionalism and his "Frontier Hypothesis." Cherry picking the specifics is the key to "success" as both a "scientist" and a historian. When Friar Gregor Mendel reported data from his experiments with peas, he was either ungodly lucky or he threw out his outliers. Or so it was thought for most of the last century. One of the enduring maxims of the human species is "if you are not cheating, you are not trying." If John Gregg took his family to America to escape the dangers of the Wild West of Ireland (County Mayo), he was not completely successful. His son Patrick almost immediately set out for America's Wild West. Boone, Crockett, Jackson, Houston, Calhoun, and Gregg were all self-assertive Scots-Irish frontiersmen. The first five became cultural giants of truly mythical proportions. Patrick Gregg clearly was self-assertive. He and General William Lynch may have come from different sides of an old grudge match Irish feud, but they were both Douglas Democrats when the Civil War began. At Bryan Hall in 1862 they both made it clear they had become Lincoln Democrats. Lynch said: "There should be no Republicans, no Democrats. Every man should sacrifice his personal feelings. I was opposed to Abraham Lincoln; I am now opposed to every man who opposes Abraham Lincoln." When it came to Confederates, for both Gregg and Lynch it was "grudge on." Feuds, Irish or otherwise, can be set aside, but they are rarely, if ever, forgotten. Cheers Rbn3 https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/art-music-and-film/essays/myth-frontier-progress-or-lost-freedom Sir R A Fisher, one of the statistical giants of the last century, politely accused Mendel of cherry picking fraud and "proved it so" with a "modern" statistical analysis of Fisher's own invention. FISHER R.A. 1918: The correlation between relatives on the supposition of Mendelian inheritance. Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh 52: 399-433. A hundred years after Fisher, statisticians are hard at work cherry picking "proper methods" (i.e., fit the model to the data, not the data to the model) that "prove" Fisher wrong and Mendel honest: KALINA J. 2014: Gregor Mendel, his experiments and their statistical evaluation. Acta Musei Moraviae, Scientiae biologicae (Brno) 99(1): 87-99. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) is now generally acknowledged as the founder of modern genetics. He was among the first to make systematic use of mathematical methods in biology, employing just the simpler rules of probability theory to work out some of the underlying laws of heredity. However, it is less well known that an element of controversy began to attach to his experimental results in the 1930's, largely as a result of the work of the eminent British statistician and biologist R.A. Fisher, who felt that Mendel's results were too close to expected values. New explanations have therefore been sought to avert suspicion that the figures may have been in some way idealised. The work in hand seeks to contribute to resolving the Mendel-Fisher controversy. An alternative statistical model for the design of Mendel's experiments is suggested, which appears to correspond to Mendel's results. At the same time, the proposed model allows a very simple interpretation. http://www.mzm.cz/fileadmin/user_upload/publikace/casopisy/amm_sb_99_1_2014/08kalina.pdf Another enduring human maxim: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
  6. Ozzy Actually Ireland's records before 1850 were generally destroyed in the Dublin Four Courts Fire during the "Rising" of 1922. Lynch was a Fenian, as was Sweeney. But Lynch died young from the after effects of a gun shot wound to the tibia suffered at Yellow Bayou in 1864. Dr. Henry Crawford (another Scots-Irish Physician) was the 58th's Surgeon and an excellent surgeon. He advised amputation. Lynch told his Adjutant to shoot Crawford (an Ulster Protestant) if he tried. Lynch later admitted that he should have let Crawford perform the operation. Crawford was very experienced and a below the knee amputation was a lower (but still high) risk procedure. Survivors could be fitted with a prosthesis and some recovered nearly full function. Lynch was an invalid and never fully recovered.Crawford and Lynch are buried in the same cemetery in Elgin, Illinois. Lynch was an early associate of Ellsworth and formed a drill unit of Fighting Irish at Notre Dame in 1859 and had himself drilled under Ellsworth in Elgin. Gregg intended to join his company with Mulligans 23rd originally, but the timing and logistics did not work out. John W. was a 90 day volunteer in Co. D of the 12th Illinois who transferred to Co K of the 58th in December 1861. Lynch was a beloved figure by many but was from Elgin on the Galena RR line. Gregg and he did not maintain a relationship after the war as far as I can tell. Of course, Lynch was Catholic and Gregg was a Protestant of sorts. Gregg was Baptized in the Anglican Church of Ireland, though his children were raised as Presbyterians with his support. Gregg's father and Lynch's grandfather Timothy from County Cork ("The Rebel County" and home to the Irish Fenians) were likely on opposite sides in '98 back in Ireland. Col. Lynch and I went to the same high school (Elgin Academy). I have Schmidt's book on my desk. My favorite college football team is who ever is playing Notre Dame. The world remains complicated. Rbn3
  7. Ozzy I have been intending to learn more about Dr. Wyner. Thanks. Attached in the first part of a chapter about Patrick Gregg's Irish roots. Needs a lot of work. Rbn3 Patrick Gregg Before Emigration from Ireland (Autosaved).docx
  8. Ozzy, Except for the fact that now I cannot get the tune out of my head, I am grateful for your reminder about The Bridge on the River Kwai. Patrick Gregg's father fought under Cornwallis in 1798 in an Irish Civil war. About 20 years later John Gregg was the victim of an assassination attempt in the "wild west" of County Mayo, Ireland. Patrick Gregg's letter to Frances Wood is explained by his disdain for sectarianism. His energetic cooperation with Bonney is explained by his horror of lawlessness. Rbn3
  9. Ozzy As usual, you have proven yourself yet again to be an expert sleuth. Frances Wood married Dr. Henry Shimer. Her brother, Talmadge Benjamin Wood, was an early Oregonian of multiple talents, joining the Whitmans. He escaped the Whitman Massacre only to be murdered himself while an Argonaut. "Murderer's Bar" on the American River is so named because it is the site his violent demise. Patrick Gregg left Angelica, New York, where he had been the physician to the County Alms House, about the same time as the Whitman's were married there. Mary Gregg died young. Caroline Warner Gregg never married and was a dynamo for many Rock Island charitable and Presbyterian Church causes. She lived until 1938. Thanks Rbn3
  10. Back to the unknown woman. If the revenue stamp was placed on the CDV at the time of its capture and development, the picture dates to between 1 August 1864 and 1 August 1866. Sarah Wheelock Gregg would have been about 45 year old then. Annie Wittenmyer was 8 years younger. The dates define the period that the revenue stamps were required on photographs. Of course the image may be a reprint from an older negative. She was in Davenport in the right time frame. And thousands of other women are candidates. But Wittenmyer was relatively famous and many images of her survive. Who has the Gayford negatives, or were they destroyed for the silver? Or by fire? Certainly they were once in sleeves and labelled.
  11. Ozzy Gregg and Bonney apparently became friends...I hope I can get that letter from the Bonney manuscript! Those rewards were big money in 1846. I agree that Gregg could have been misidentified as Halleck. The sketch of Gregg gives him a rounder face than the R.I.C.H.S. image depcits. Gregg would likely have been wearing a captain's uniform. Annie Wittenmeyer is a possibility, as she fits in time and place. Gaylord, et al had a studio in Davenport also. Mrs. O. Amigh addressed a letter to Wittenmyer from a hospital in Quincy, Illinois, complaining fiercely about the surgeon-in-charge. "Now Mrs. W," she wrote, "do what you can for us towards removing said Doctor ... and the 3d Iowa will bless you forever .... " From: Leonard, E D: Yankee Women. New York, 1994. p 59. Mrs. O. M. Amigh to Annie Wittenmyer, Sept. 1, 1861, War Correspondence of Annie Wittenmyer, 1861-1865, Box 1, Folder 2, Iowa State Historical Library, Des Moines. Ophelia Amigh is another of my never ending projects. The Chicago Tribune page with the Bonney death notice (Chicago Daily Tribune., February 07, 1864, Image 4) that you uncovered has two other items that are fascinating to me. First is the article about the Ellsworth Zouaves and their trip from RI to NY with 60 Rebel prisoners who had "enlisted" in the U.S. Navy. Ellsworth, by then dead for about 4 years, had drilled the Elgin, Illinois, unit formed by Col. Lynch of the 58th. This must have "rubbed off" on Lt. John Gregg, Patrick Gregg's Company drill master. Second is the article exactly below the first in the same column: "Erring Women's Refuge." This institution recruited Ophelia to Chicago about a decade later as its matron. Both Amigh and Wittenmyer separated from their husbands, though Wittenmyer never publicly corrected the story that she was a widow. Oscar Amigh of 3rd Iowa was wounded at Shiloh. Rbn3 ps: I mean no disrespect to the memory of Annie Wittenmyer. In fact, historians often described her as a wealthy widow with a fortune to spend on her causes. This misconception tends to minimize her accomplishments. Annie was the second wife of William who basically was bankrupt in the 1850's and was not paying taxes on their Keokuk home. Annie financed her causes by the force of her arguments and personality. She collected enough salary to support herself. William died in 1876. Baker, Thomas R. The Sacred Cause of Union : Iowa in the Civil War. Iowa and the Midwest Experience. Iowa City: University of Iowa Press, 2016.p 20-21, 77
  12. Ozzy As usual, you have proven yourself an expert sleuth. Take a close look at the montage photo above "unknown woman" - Does not "unknown" strikingly resemble a younger Sarah Wheelock Gregg? Rbn3
  13. That picture of PG was in the RI Argus of 29 Oct 1892 - "Dr. Gregg gone." I have only found one photo of Gregg - about 1 inch in size as part of large montage of Old Settlers Society of Rock Island (Gregg was the first President). The original is in the Rock Island County Historical Museum in Moline. So, Agent Maxwell Smart (AKA Ozzie - note the very clever reversed double entendre) here is a case. The last picture below was taken by a famous RI CW photographer who was a tenant in Dr. Gregg's building on the river. 1) Who is the lady? 2) Who was the famous Civil War photographer who took it? Who were the most famous subjects of this famous photographer? Hint for library buffs: the photo collection is housed at the Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library. Bonus question: The RI PD needs help identifying who ripped off half Zach Taylor's face. The guy behind Zach's right shoulder is a person of interest since he married Zach's daughter against Zach's wishes.
  14. Ozzy My list of top detectives heretofore had only included Bonney and Pinkerton. I have added Ozzy to my hall of fame. Maria L. Van Frank Bonney, Edward Bonney's wife, died in El Paso, Illinois, about 25 miles due east of Peoria, on 1 Dec 1886.[1] The Bonneys' daughter Martha was one of three wives of W. K. Hoagland, a prominent banker. Miss Jessamine Hoagland sold the Banditti manuscripts in the 1940's. Miss Hoagland was a successful bank advertising executive at the National Bank of Chicago.[2] I have not yet identified where Miss Hoagland fits in the Bonney family tree – she may be a Hoagland daughter by one of his other wives (which would not make her a Bonney granddaughter). However, the provenance of the Bonney manuscripts at IU is impeccable. Randall and Howes were giants in the ever-diminishing world of bibliophiles. From the 1963 edition of Banditti: The manuscript drafts of The Banditti of the Prairies turned up in Chicago sometime in the 1940's in the possession of a Miss Jessamine Hoagland, who claimed to be Bonney's granddaughter. She sold them to W. J. Holliday of Indianapolis, who, in turn, deposited the manuscript with Wright Howes.[3] Howes sold them to David Randall of Scribner's Book Store.[4] [David Anton Randall (5 April 1905 – 25 May 1975) was an American book dealer, librarian and bibliographic scholar. He was head of Scribner's rare book department from 1935 to 1956, librarian of the Lilly Library and Professor of Bibliography at Indiana University. Randall was responsible for the sale of two copies of the Gutenberg Bible. As a practitioner of bibliology with a bibliophiliac addiction, a raconteur of history of books, and an avid collector, he developed a keen appreciation for books as physical objects—including the tasks of collecting, cataloging, finding and preserving them.], and from there they went to the Indiana University Library. Furthermore, there is a strong family tradition which holds that Bonney was, indeed, the author. Mrs. Gus Ramage, Waxahachie, Texas, whose great-great uncle was Bonney, is among those relatives. The only other reference I have to other writings by Bonney is a letter to the editor of the Illinois journal which was reprinted in the Chicago Weekly Journal of January 19, 1846. Rbn3 p.s. I have not yet definitively identified the “Eliza Bonney” (23 Oct 1832-11 Apr 1839), the only other Bonney buried in the Bonneyville Cemetery. She certainly could have been Edward's daughter. But Edward’s older brothers Oliver and Amsa lived in Illinois in the same era and may have also been in Bonneyville in the 1830’s. Amsa was elected to the Second Quorum of 75, making him a Mormon Priest at Nauvoo. Edward Bonney’s role and rapid ascension in the Mormon militia may have involved a bit of nepotism. Oliver was a physician who lived for a time in Prospect Park (now Glen Ellyn/Bloomingdale). [1] https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/113679774/person/360118667514/facts [2]https://books.google.com/books?id=J2gmAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA415&lpg=PA415&dq=Jessamine+Hoagland&source=bl&ots=E82vwuZDvy&sig=u6cephOyNnPMJZYSF4PRrov7Dio&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwift8yv5ZfVAhUE8IMKHUbkC5cQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Jessamine Hoagland&f=false [3] Wright Howes (1882-1978), ably assisted by his wife and business partner, Zoe Howes (1887-1977), operated an antiquarian book business in Chicago specializing in rare and collectible Americana for 45 years, from 1925 to 1970. Howes rose to the very top of his field, becoming known nationally and internationally as one of the foremost dealers in antiquarian Americana during a time considered by some to have been the golden age of rare book collecting in this country. Nevertheless, if Wright Howes is remembered at all today, it is likely to be as the compiler of U.S.IANA. www.caxtonclub.org/reading/2012/apr12.pdf [4] David Anton Randall (5 April 1905 – 25 May 1975) was an American book dealer, librarian and bibliographic scholar. He was head of Scribner's rare book department from 1935 to 1956, librarian of the Lilly Library and Professor of Bibliography at Indiana University. Randall was responsible for the sale of two copies of the Gutenberg Bible.[1][2] As a practitioner of bibliology with a bibliophiliac addiction, a raconteur of history of books, and an avid collector, he developed a keen appreciation for books as physical objects—including the tasks of collecting, cataloging, finding and preserving them. Wiki
  15. More good finds...note that the "whereabouts" of the "little cheese box" Monitor is mentioned a few lines up from the Stone mention... Rbn3
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