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  1. The 11th Michigan Volunteer Infantry Regiment on Dec 2 1861 received Prussian muskets.[9] Flank Companies received Springfield model 1857 instead the Prussian muskets which the rest of the regiment had received.[10] The 11th Infantry received 800 smooth bore Prussian muskets and 200 French rifled muskets. The 12th Michigan Volunteer Infantry Regiment was issued part of the 4,000 Austrian rifled muskets that had recently arrived. The 13th Michigan Volunteer Infantry Regiment was issued arms from the same shipment as the 12th Regiment. Another report indicates that the first arms they received were Springfield rifles.[11] The 14th Michigan Volunteer Infantry Regiment originally received one hundred State owned smooth bore muskets. The 14th Infantry, Mulligan Regiment, Quinn Regiment and Stuart Regiment received Austrian rifles on January 29 1862. The 12th Michigan Volunteer Infantry Regiment, a.k.a. the Quinn Regiment was mustered into federal service on March 15 1862 in Niles Michigan. The first regimental commander was Colonel Francis Quinn of Niles. Their first issued uniforms were provided by the federal government, to include the boots and hats. This was part of a shipment of equipment sent to Captain Lee the US Army Quartermaster in Detroit from New York and Philadelphia. Captain received at that time 200 boxes of clothing, 3,000 suits in total, which had arrived for the 12th, 13th and 14 Infantry Regiments . One former member of Company D indicated that army blue uniforms were arriving in January of 1862. A photograph of the 12th Regiment at Camp Barker (Niles Michigan) taken before the regiment left Michigan shows enlisted men in short dark blouses, most wear dark trousers but some wear light trousers. All wear dark hats. Only one enlisted man wears a frock coat. The green and gray blankets purchased for this regiment were worthless and quickly replaced.
  2. From the LOC-- unidentified member of the 12th Michigan, Co. A., with his Austrian musket... cal .54
  3. Stan I have started to write my book on Shiloh Arms. I see on this Site you have included a number of accounts of  letters of men who fought at Shiloh. I am looking or will look for any info on arms carried if the soldier has a negative or positive comment on what they carried. I have five or six mentioning firearms and how they reported their Regiment outgunned or better armed than the enemy at certain times during the Battle. I have also discovered with facts and evidence the CS Officers out here in the West and the East were aware of the quality of arms issued to the men and knew much of it was antique and of poor quality. They tried to convince the men otherwise by promoting the use of the bayonet in a Battle over Rifles... Some great propaganda came out on how Napoleon won the Battle with the Bayonet and with the crummy guns you were issued, the bayonet is your weapon of choice! Even Lee commented... and Johnston and Bragg-- anyway-- I will send you from time to time the manuscript for comment-- I am also doing a section on uniforms and Flags--  I know you are working on a Flag Book-- We will shake up the Shiloh World or at least contribute to the overall research of the Battle and that not everyone carried a smoothbore that day.... Tom

  4. I watched the Prentiss walk on You-Tube-- It was awesome, but there is an addition... At Fraley? Field and the first contact between the 3rd Miss Batt. and the 25th Missouri-- Professor Tim stated he believed the troops were armed with smoothbores... No they were not... Research shows the 25th MO. were issued Model 1842 rifles, .69 cal. firing big minies with long range rear sites and the Confederates some had rifles and even Sharps Rifles-- a very accurate and devastating weapon. The casualties were minimal-- not because of the use of smoothbores, but the darkness and distance between the contestants. At distances of 300 yards or more-- a soldier would have trouble sighting in and hitting a target-- especially when bullets are flying your way. The 16th Wisconsin were armed with the Class A Dresden Suhl Rifle, the 12th Michigan with .54 caliber Austrian rifles, and the 21st MO, Model 1842 rifled muskets, .69 caliber --all of them in Peabody's Brigade. The 23rd and 21st wore short jackets and bummers, the 18th Wisconsin in the State 5 button blouse and bummers some in black hats, and the 12th, I am still working on as to uniforms-- Tom
  5. Interesting that the arguing continued long after the War--- Lost Cause and such... will post more stuff from the newspapers-- interesting, Tom Arliskas
  6. ooops wrong post--- but a good read anyway!
  7. Found this in a series of old newspapers. That Beauregard was the one who drew up the plan of Battle for Shiloh-- and some say it was Johnston-- Even in 1885 they had their own discussion group on Shiloh! Shiloh 1885.pdf
  8. Of more importance to the Battle of Shiloh is the observation of General Bragg as to the condition of the Confederate Army concentrating in Corinth. Bragg was appalled at the supply situation and the discipline of the troops. He called them, "a mob" and not an Army. He was ordered to get them some training and to do his best to prepare them for Battle. Their weapons were inferior. They had plenty of cannons, but not enough trained crews to man them. A point to make for the Battle of Shiloh-- Johnston went in on a hope and a prayer that surprise and the bayonet would win the day. Braxton Bragg agreed with that after what he witnessed. Not saying the Southerners were not brave or worthy, just that they were thrown into Battle with little formal training and a lack of needed supplies-- Class A firearms one of them...
  9. Me neither--- Hard to find specific Regiments--
  10. I meant to say Beauregard not Johnston--- The 77th Ohio were armed with Prussian Smoothbore Muskets .70 Caliber? or bigger-- I would love to read that letter someday. I believe sincerely that the Battle of Shiloh can be given the same treatment as the Battle of Gettysburg. Gee Wiz--- They have their own Magazine-- and conferences every year!!! And a National Battlefield that attracts millions of visitors! I am not taking away from all that--- I love to visit Gettysburg. I am simply saying Shiloh has not been researched to the depth of Gettysburg.-- Thank You rwaller.
  11. Great find Ozzy! I am finding a lot of quotes from Federal Soldiers that state the high number of dead Confederates scattered in front on the Union Left under Sherman, Prentiss, and Wallace. It could be Johnston did not want the Confederate people to know the extent of the damage done to the Army.
  12. OK--- If we do it-- it will exciting-- I have a lot of work to do writing-- but, we can do a neat monograph on Shiloh--- for the masses. I am in an won't get involved until Winter this year... tom
  13. Stan-- You would have to go by Division I think--- and, as to type of firearm seen most often-- It is hard for me to categorize by Model or year. To me it is just Rifles vs. Smoothbores. The one Rifle I note-- the Hall Rifle-- it had a distance of only 180 yards out-- firing a round ball-- same if someone with a Mississippi or a Civilian Rifle shooting a round ball-- they were good only to 180 yards-- now you put a minie in a Mississippi-- they are good for 300 to 400 yards out-- The Enfield in their manual says they are good out to 600 yards-- if you can see that far! I am working on something new for Shiloh-- will let you know how it works out. AND! People want me to do a monograph or book on Shiloh----- Are you game? I could use your help on photos etc.-- Uniforms, Weapons and Flags and Other Stuff--- that would be the title!
  14. This is a first listing of the Army of the Ohio under Don Carlos Buell, a listing of the firearms carried by these Regiments at Shiloh. Again if you have any corrections or additions or questions- please post- Grant's Army coming soon-- This is not the final count or rendering-- but I am 99% sure this is it-- Army of the Ohio—Second Division 4th Brigade 1st Ohio Infantry—740 Prussian Muskets and 200 Enfield Rifles for flank Companies 6th Indiana--- Model 1842 Rifled Muskets 5th Kentucky--- Enfield Rifles U.S. Regulars—15th, 16th, 19th --- New Springfield Rifles 5th Brigade 29th Indiana---Enfield Rifles 30th Indiana--- Enfield Rifles 34th Illinois--- Model 1842 Rifled Muskets 77th Pennsylvania--- Springfield and Enfield Rifles 6th Brigade 15th Ohio--- 730 Model 1842 Rifled Muskets 32nd Indiana--- Initially Greenwood Rifles, all Enfield Rifles by Shiloh 49th Ohio--- 700 Model 1842 Rifled Muskets and 180 Enfield Rifles Fourth Division 10th Brigade 6th Ohio--- 580 U.S. Percussion Muskets, [smoothbores], 120 Enfield Rifles 24th Ohio—840 U.S. Percussion Muskets, [smoothbores], 212 Enfield Rifles 36th Indiana--- Enfield Rifles 19th Brigade 9th Indiana--- Model 1855 Rifled Muskets 41st Ohio--- 680 Model 1842 Rifled Muskets, 200 Enfield Rifles 6th Kentucky--- Enfield Rifles 22nd Brigade 1st Kentucky--- Austrian Rifles. 54 Caliber 2nd Kentucky--- Enfield Rifles 20th Kentucky--- Model 1842 Rifled Muskets 5th Division 11th Brigade 19th Ohio--- 600 Pondir Rifles, 200 Enfield Rifles 59th Ohio--- 200 Enfield Rifles, rest in the Field? 13th Kentucky--- Model 1842 Rifled Muskets 14th Brigade 11th Kentucky--- Enfield Rifles 13th Ohio--- 800 Model 1842 Rifled Muskets, 190 Enfield Rifles 26th Kentucky--- Enfield Rifles 20th Brigade {not engaged} 13th Michigan--- Springfield Rifles- Model 1861 64th Ohio--- Springfield Rifles- Model 1861 65th Ohio--- Springfield Rifles- Model 1861 21st Brigade 15th Indiana--- Springfield Rifles 40th Indiana--- Austrian Rifles .54 Caliber 57th Indiana--- 6 Companies Prussian Musket [smoothbores], 4 Companies Enfield Rifles 24th Kentucky--- Springfield Rifles
  15. They were rifled .69 caliber. Awesome firearms-- I have here right next to me-- came out of Wisconsin-- I am sure it was used at Shiloh??$$%!!-- That is my story and I am sticking to it.--
  16. Yeah well----- I have been working on my presentation for the Battle of Shiloh Seminar to be held this Fall at the Kenosha Civil War Museum September 15th. I will be sharing the stage with Professor Tim Smith-- Larry J. Daniel, Army of the Tennessee specialist and Bjorn Skaparsan of Ranger Shiloh fame! So I have to do a good job! It took me weeks to do the Confederates and that is not done. I will provide the list when I can after I get my talk on paper and a powerpoint-- You need a powerpoint for uniforms and flags. Here is a total for all, Grants Army of the Tennessee, 30, 759 Rifles and 11, 907 smoothbores. Buells Army 17, 921 and only 2,476 smoothbores. I am still working on this.--- These are close approximates.--- I have it all in my notes--- Maybe I will write a book about it???????????? Tom
  17. I myself have trouble with the term BELGIAN-- when it comes to firearms... Many imports had the word Liege on the locks-- Tom
  18. Another Wisconsin soldier with a Dresden-Suhl Rifle.--- They were refered to as Belgian Muskets by were rifled. Tom
  19. OK---- On making a determination about how a Confederate Regiment was armed using photographs as a back-up in the majority of the cases-- depends on how many photos you have.. If you have only one or two showing a particular arm, then all you can do is state, "two soldiers are carrying X"- BUT- When you have 10 or 12, like the 19th Alabama showing alternating Mississippi Rifles and Smoothbores-- Then you state, "19 members are carrying X"- and the photos were taken at Camp so and so-- when first mustered, they were issued these type of firearms. You can make that determination and state it until you have Ordnance records or diaries to show otherwise. So far, no one has come forward to disagree... Yes, Some firearms are props-- and you can prove it by looking up the Ordnance Records. What is happening is that the pictures are backing up the reports-- which is a good thing for research. I have been doing this for many many years-- and have looked at hundreds of CS photos.-- I would state that the Federal Army was more guilty in having its soldiers posed with props.-- especially in the big city's. Louisiana is one State where the Ordnance Records are buried somewhere. We know that in general the State issued a lot of cap and ball smoothbores. The photos show this... so we can make a statement that Regiment so and so was issued smoothbore muskets from the State, backed by Ammunition issues and records. Research continues.
  20. These guns are very heavy--- 16 pounds-- but were considered Class A by the Ordnance Bureau. I have a great quote from a Wisconsin soldier at Shiloh-- although sad and unfortunate-- He stated his Dresden Suhl would pass through 3 files of CS soldiers every time he shot-- He was amazed!!! Tom
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