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  1. Maybe Grant sustained Mason to help out a fellow from Ohio? Just a thought as he might have smarted at the accusations against the state. At any rate, it is very much human nature to blame a whole group, even if the 1st, 4th, and 20th Tennessee did not conform to the stereotype about Tennessee troops at Shiloh.
  2. Thanks, I read over Haydon's article, and offered some important tactical and staff details. Thanks for pointing me to it.
  3. I read it today and thought "everything that is old is new." Outside of his harsh treatment of Lew Wallace, this very much reads like Tim Smith's argument. That adds to my contention that a lot of current scholarship, far from being unbiased, is a more detailed version of the Just Cause narrative of the Civil War. Before anyone chops off my head, Smith's work on Shiloh is first rate and I refer back to it all the time in my work. I also like Sword, Cunningham, and Daniel, and all three of them for different reasons. Hell, even Groom works as an introduction to the battle. Shiloh has been better served by historians and authors than most other battles of the war.
  4. Interesting... Do we know what Haydon delivered? In my Beauregard research I think Preston Johnston, at least in 1862, did not totally have it in for Beauregard. His report to Davis could have been harsher.
  5. For another take on Johnston's death, this comes from his courier: Broome, John P. “How Gen. A.S. Johnson Died.” Confederate Veteran, vol. 16 (December 1908), p. 629. I am not certain I believe it, but its better than William Stevenson's account, which does not line up and seems like an attempt to be there for a big moment. I posted it here as I consider couriers to be part of the staff, even if not formally so. I had an ancestor who was a courier for Loring, even though he was illiterate.
  6. Joyce, Fred. “Two Dogs.” The Southern Bivouac, October, 1883, 72-74. - Places Cobb with Trabue on April 7, likely at Crescent Field in the morning.
  7. Here are a few gems I found. “Colonel Hicks–Captain Bagwell.” The Southern Bivouac, January 1884, 270-271. - A rare Union centered article. Hicks comes across as an action hero. Duke, Basil. “The Battle of Shiloh.” The Southern Bivouac, December 1883, 150-162. - This is part 1 of Duke's retelling. He has Johnston predicting a battle not at Pittsburg Landing but Shiloh Church itself during Johnston's brief stay at Mufreesboro. Of course Johnston said this to Bowen and both men were conveniently dead. Harcourt, A.P. “Terry’s Texas Rangers.” The Southern Bivouac, November 1882, 89-97. - This one is pretty good for Fallen Timbers. “How One Man ‘Stuck Togedder’” The Southern Bivouac, November 1884, 130-131. - This explains why the 31st Alabama (49th) was in Trabue's second line when they advanced into Crescent Field on April 6, and possibly why Trabue hardly mentioned them in his report. Johnson, E. Polk. “Jefferson Davis at Home.” The Southern Bivouac, August, 1886, 137-148. - Davis in his final years, still getting emotional over Johnston. Joyce, Fred. “Two Dogs.” The Southern Bivouac, October, 1883, 72-74. - Story of a dog killed at Shiloh. Hard to place but I would say Crescent Field, morning of April 7. More importantly, it places Cobb with Trabue on April 7. Joyce, Fred. UNTITLED The Southern Bivouac, March 1883, 318. - I forgot so look it up. Rogers, J.M. “The Honors of Shiloh.” The Southern Bivouac, August, February 1886, 574. - One of those Buell > Grant pieces. Steele, S.W. “Incidents at Shiloh.” The Southern Bivouac, May 1885, 418-419. - Not sure I believe this one but it is fun. It is about Bragg on April 5 and 6. Weller, J.H. “The Fourth Kentucky.” The Southern Bivouac, May and June, 1883, 346a-354a. - Pretty good recounting of the regiment's first actions at Shiloh. “Wild Bill.” The Southern Bivouac, March 1883, 316-317. - Funny anecdote. Witherspoon, A.J. UNTITLED The Southern Bivouac, March 1885, 326-327. - Anecdote of Gladden's initial attack on Prentiss
  8. Which two states would those be? I know Tennessee is often accused, but for the rest it seems very much like a regiment to regiment deal, even for Tennessee.
  9. The link appears to be only for current information, so I could not find the Hillyer letters. Anyone have them handy?
  10. Do you have the sources handy? It would explain why Duke is so quiet about April 7.
  11. My browser (firefox) will not let me read the diary. Anyone have a gist for what it says about April 6-7?
  12. Looking through it today I found two nuggets in volume 1. On page 45 you get a short account by Baylor. It is blunt, including a defense of slavery. He mentions getting shot in the nose while on Johnston's staff. The best though is by a member of Morgan's squadron on page 259-261. It is very detailed. It places Morgan at Sarah Bell Field before shifting over to the right. Apparently Morgan acted as escort for Breckinridge before 2:00 p.m.
  13. That makes sense, as the 46th Ohio pretty much disintegrated after the afternoon fight in Crescent Field. I do have an update... In volume of Reminiscences of the Boys in Gray, page 764, a veteran of the 17th Alabama mentions guarding prisoners on April 7. Jackson in his report (555) says the regiment fell back to its starting line, but he saw it later. Seems the regiment was a cross purposes on April 7, hence its absence most of the day.
  14. For The Maps of Shiloh I am creating a “tactical” order of battle for April 7, as the Confederates and Grant's army had lots of units mixed here and there, and it helps to understand the fighting. In doing so, I have found a few units where it is hard to establish where they were. All but one is Confederate. 46th Ohio I have found nothing in Daniel, Smith, or Lanny K. Smith. You can bet if this regiment had so much as marched 100 yards, Thomas Worthington would have mentioned it along with a dig at Sherman. But there is nothing I have seen. 17th Alabama Jackson lost his brigade on the night of April 6 except for the Washington Light Artillery. He does mention coming upon the 17th Alabama towards the end of the day. (OR 10 1 555) Should be noted that Dunlop mentions Jackson going into battle and supporting him, although he possibly misidetfied the commander. (OR 10 1 625) 25th Alabama In Loomis' report he only mentions he was not with the brigade (one wing was led by Deas and the other by Moore) and that the regiment was engaged. Otherwise, nothing else is mentioned. Loomis in his second report indicates he was not in command on April 7 and mentions a report by Major George D. Johnston, that is not in the OR. (OR 10 1 540 and 544) One place to look is Johnston's papers: https://cdm17336.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p17336coll44 I also found this, but it is vague about the action on April 7: http://vcwsg.com/PDF Files/Wilson P Howell Co I 25th Alabama Regiment .pdf 31st Alabama (49th) The regiment is barely mentioned by Trabue, which is suspicious as his report is very detailed. He does praise them, but indicates their actions on April 7 could be found in their report, which is missing. (OR 10 1 617-619) 2nd Arkansas, 6th Arkansas, 7th Arkansas Shaver went forward with the 2nd and 6th Arkansas on April 7. The 7th Arkansas was left with a battery and the 3rd Confederate moved to Breckinridge's sector, joining with Trabue. Timothy B. Smith has Shaver advancing into Jones Field with Wood, while Daniel does not mention him. Reed places Shaver attacking with Cheatham around noon. Its a mess, made worse by a lack of regiment reports. My gut says, since Shaver mentioned going in with Cheatham and Wood never mentioned Shaver, that Reed is right. (OR 10 1 575 579 593 Daniel 280 Smith 349 Reed 70) 11th Louisiana What this regiment was doing is very hard to ascertain. Russell does not report seeing them. Barrow's report...well its better if I just quote it: “On Monday morning, April 7, I am informed, and have every reason to believe it to be the case, a portion of our regiment, consisting of about 200 men and the following-named officers, Adjt. J. G. White, Capts. J. H. McCann and J. E. Austin, and Lieuts. Beynon, R. L. Hughes, J. E. Hyams, Davis, A. Le Blanc, and Thomas S. Pierce, all of whom had remained on the field the previous night, formed a battalion, and attached themselves to General Anderson’s brigade, under the command of Capt. J. E. Austin, Captain McCann having turned the command over to him. Why the command was thus transferred to a junior officer I am unable to state. They were immediately ordered with the brigade of General Anderson to our extreme left and to assist General Breckinridge’s command; but, just before meeting the enemy, came up with the brigade of Colonel Russell; was ordered into it'; advanced with it, engaged the enemy, and under the most galling fire fell back with it, where they reformed, and, with General Anderson on their left and Colonel Russell on their right, made a desperate charge, driving the enemy from his position, capturing two of his guns, and driving him inch by inch until he became so strongly re-enforced that they were ordered to fall back. Here Lieutenant Pierce, who had fought so bravely and gallantly throughout the previous day, and who had command of Company F, Continental Guards, fell, it is supposed, mortally wounded, as his body has not been since recovered or heard from. The loss in men was also heavy at this juncture. From that time throughout the whole engagement that portion of our regiment, a part of the time, however, was under the immediate command of General Anderson, as the First Brigade had been greatly cut up and divided, and a portion of General Breckinridge’s command coming in on their right and between them and Colonel Russell’s brigade.” What I infer is they were going to meet with Anderson, only before they were engaged they joined up with Russell. I believe Anderson attacked right after Gibson did at Jones Field around 10:30 a.m. If correct, this report places Anderson in the attack with Wood, yet the reference to captured cannon has more in common with Gibson's attack. I think it possible the 11th Louisiana was involved in both attacks, but Barrow not being there, had to rely on second-hand reports. After that it gets weirder, with Russell being to the right of Breckinridge, although Austin's men being between Anderson and Breckinridge makes sense given Anderson and Trabue's reports. To make it even weirder, Barrow is mentioned by Henry Allen, who led an ad hoc brigade around Shiloh Church centered around the 11th Louisiana. No other report I have seen mentions Austin's force. (OR 10 1 418 422 490 500-501 617-618) 55th Tennessee (McKoin’s) Hardcastle mentions that he marched back to Shiloh with the 55th Tennessee, but they became separated. There is no report for the 55th Tennessee. Since Hardcastle’s 3rd Mississippi Battalion did not make it, I doubt the 55th Tennessee did. That said, Hardcastle did say he later saw the 55th Tennessee with the 16th Alabama, which went into the attack with Cheatham around noon, so maybe they did make it? Likely not with Cheatham’s attack, but arriving just as the army was preparing its last defense. (OR 10 1 597 603-604) 1st Alabama Cavalry The only lead I have is Chalmers, who praises Clanton and makes it clear he was almost always at Chalmers' side. Without any other evidence, I must conclude Clanton stayed with Chalmers. (OR 10 1 553) Kentucky Cavalry (Morgan’s) Basil Duke does not mention anything for April 7 save Morgan being in the final rearguard. If Morgan's men had even captured one man, I am 100% certain Duke would have reported it, complete with a colorful anecdote. In the absence of anything else, I think Morgan was like most of the cavalry on April 7, in the rear forwarding stragglers. (Duke 154) Kentucky Cavalry (Thompson’s) Reed merely says “do not appear to have been engaged.” This unit remains one of Shiloh's little mysteries. (Reed 86) Watson Artillery (Beltzhoover’s Louisiana) There is an entire forum post where this unit's role is debated. I think they were in the final artillery line organized by Shoup. More on that under “Shoups’s Battery.” Pettus Flying Artillery (Hudson’s Mississippi) Outside of the one April 6 battlefield marker, there is nothing. Reed's wording “No mention in the reports of either Hudson's or Watson's batteries” makes me think those reports are still somewhere. A man can dream.” My guess though is as Martin quickly shifted towards Dill Branch on April 6, Hudson's battery may have fallen in with Shoup. More on that below. (Reed 88) Shoup's Battery I think one reason a few batteries remain a mystery on April7 is they were with Shoup and the “grand battery” he formed on April 6. I think they remained under his command and due to the confusion were not committed until late on April 7. I do not think its coincidence that these batteries are “missing” and were with Shoup on April 6. In the case of Hudson, he could have joined on the night of April 6 while Watson was in the rear and may have just fallen in. References in Smith also lead me to this conclusion. Among the batteries were: Hubbard’s Battery (Jackson Light Artillery, Arkansas), Trigg’s Battery (Austin Artillery, Arkansas), Robert’s Battery (Clarke County Light Artillery, Arkansas), Lyon Battery (Cobb’s Kentucky) check Smith Warren Light Artillery (Swett’s Mississippi) (Reed 70, Smith 384 390, Shoup “Art of War in ‘62” 12) Last but not least, these Confederate units were not engaged. 18th Alabama, Tennessee Battalion (Crews’) Both were guarding prisoners. (OR 10 1 555 616 618) 6th Mississippi Cleburne sent them away from the battle, as the regiment was already thoroughly chewed up. (OR 10 1 582-583) 3rd Mississippi Battalion Was marching back to Shiloh only to be informed by fleeing men it was all over. (OR 10 1 603-604) Company E 2nd Battalion Alabama Artillery (Gage’s) Chalmers says were not on the battlefield on April 7. His report is fairly detailed so I trust him. (OR 10 1 552) Helena Artillery (Calvert’s Arkansas) This is based on a guess, but they are not included in the April 6 grand battery. Shoup mentions sending men back to Corinth with captured cannon and I suspect it was Calvert’s battery. (Shoup 8-9)
  15. Thanks I hope it exceeds expectations. Shiloh is a bear of a battle to depict in accurate maps, but I have found some good stuff getting this ready.
  16. Thanks I will take a look after I get my outline of April 7 completed.
  17. Since writing that ECW post, it appears the 47th Tennessee website has uploaded an even better picture of Munson R. Hill. It seems likely he is our man.
  18. Good point there. I found this. I thought I might, as I had seen Ellis' name come up in regards to Cleburne and Forrest. "Ellis, Powhatan, Papers, 1856–1890. 1,592 items. Mss1EL595a. Contains the papers of Powhatan Ellis (1829–1906) of Richmond. Included in the collection is an undated autobiographical sketch by Powhatan Ellis containing a brief outline of his service during the war on the staffs of Lloyd Tilghman, Bushrod Rust Johnson, Patrick Ronayne Cleburne, William Wirt Adams, William Wing Loring, William Thompson Martin, Leonidas Polk, Stephen Dill Lee, Richard Taylor, and Nathan Bedford Forrest (section 55)." Link: https://www.virginiahistory.org/collections-and-resources/how-we-can-help-your-research/researcher-resources/guides-researchers-3--4
  19. That could work. The issue is Cleburne's role at Duncan Field, if he was there, is minor. Those sources could be useful, but in my experience they rarely are even for large engagements. Again, worth looking into, but I would not expect a smoking gun. I do wish we had the 6th Mississippi report that Cleburne alludes to and that the 23rd Tennessee report had details. I checked Stewart's report (428) and he does not mention Cleburne, although to be fair the 4th Tennessee does not even report being in Duncan Field, which indicates their part in the action was minor. Bragg (466) only mentions Shaver's brigade. Shaver (574) does not report anyone else with him when he attacked. The 16th Alabama report (597) indicates that they and 55th Tennessee backed up Shaver. They were likely part of the attack. They might have been with Shaver on his Hornet's Nest attack, but I have my doubts as Wood came up soon after with the rest of the brigade, but did not report seeing the 16th Alabama. Stewart's attack is a hard one to piece together in the records. Even worse, the action was so minor you hardly see mention of it in post war accounts or articles in Confederate Veteran. That said, I do not think Cleburne was there. His report does not indicate it. Nor does anyone else in the attack mention him in their reports. All I have that places him there is Reed, who I think based it on a few 6th Mississippi soldiers being taken prisoner in the area. These easily could have been stragglers who joined up with the 4th Tennessee, which I infer because Reed has Cleburne on the left of the 4th Tennessee.
  20. Now if only I could figure out what happened to the 6th Arkansas after the Duncan Field attack...
  21. Thanks. I have concluded Duncan Field is where it happened, but the Review Field story got repeated and it went from there.
  22. Seems like a standard pro- Grant narrative, or at least Grant-Sherman centered narrative, that has made Grant the new "marble man." To be fair to them, its not exactly going to be too detailed given the format. The idea that Grant was able to rally the men made me laugh. Good to see my old professor Harry Laver on screen though.
  23. Thanks. I watched the video and his maps are way off once the attack on Sherman's camp failed. When you say they "went dark" does that mean all their maps are gone? As to the above conundrum, what do you think? The more I think on it, the more I think Cleburne did not charge at Duncan Field. Reed places him there, apparently because some members of the 6th Mississippi were captured in Stewart's attack. My thinking is they were just some of the many who lost their units and joined up with others.
  24. If anyone has anything to offer on the above, please reply on here.
  25. One part of the battle I am wondering about is Cleburne's supposed attack at Duncan Field (as found at SNMP Position Marker 427). His report reads as such. (pages 581-582 of the OR) "Finding my advance on the left wing for the present unemployed, I galloped back to my right. About half of the Twenty-third Tennessee and 60 men of the Sixth Mississippi had reformed. With these I advanced directly to my front, through the enemy’s encampment, the enemy having retreated as soon as my left had broken their right. Colonel Patterson, of the Eighth Arkansas, connected his regiment with my remnants of two regiments, and remained fighting with me until about 12 or 1 o’clock. At this time Captain Harper, commanding the remnant of the Sixth Mississippi, marched it to the rear. Its terrible loss in the morning, the want of all its field and most of its company officers, had completely disorganized it and unfitted it for further service. I saw it no more during the battle, but would respectfully refer you to the reports of Col. J. J. Thornton for its after proceedings. Soon after this I ordered the Twenty-third Tennessee to the rear, with directions to reunite with other portions of the regiment which had got separated from it in the repulse of the morning." A few things. 1. It appears Cleburne thought his left regiments (15 AR plus 2, 5, and 24 TN) broke Buckland's brigade. They of course did not. 2. His men fought to the right of 8 AR. 3. Patterson, commander of 8 AR, makes no mention of Cleburne in his report (598-599). He makes no mention of being involved in the Duncan Field fighting until after Wood was thrown from his horse and he had about one hour to reform his command. He then assisted in expelling Sweeney's men from Duncan Field in the afternoon. 4. Sadly, the 23 TN report is nearly worthless. (590) I suspect Cleburne was never at Duncan Field with the 6 MS and 23 TN, but rather was involved in the attack on Mars's brigade. Following that, he ordered his men to the rear.
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