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Welcome to 2019... and your first quiz of the year. These seven questions relate to Ulysses S. Grant, well before Battle of Shiloh:

  1.   Hiram Ulysses Grant was appointed to West Point, Class of 1843, from which State?
  2.   Grant, when describing his Mexican War service, claimed to have been involved in every major battle, except one. Which one?
  3.   While courting Julia Dent, Ulysses Grant seriously considered leaving the U.S. Army and pursuing a career as educator at university. What subject did Grant intend to teach?
  4.   In which slave State did Grant and his family reside, prior to the Secession Crisis?
  5.   File:Ulysses S Grant as Brigadier General, 1861.jpg General Grant's appearance at Belmont. Who suggested he trim his beard?
  6.   If poverty, and the Civil War, had not interfered, in which State did U.S. Grant have hopes of settling in and raising his family?
  7.   True of False. Ulysses S. Grant, who suffered frequent migraine headaches, was prescribed brandy as treatment for those headaches. 

 

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#7---False..yes Grant did suffer with terrible migranes but alcohol was never used. He opted for mustard plasters and treatment like this.The migrane attacks did render him down and out which may have fulled the talk of drinking to point of passing out..but it was the migranes that laid him out.Also ,he contracted malaria in 1852 while in Isthmus of Panama and this condition also puts one to bed and even after"recovery" flare ups do return.So either medical condition or both arising at the same time would really prostrate him to sick bed.

 

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Mona

Thanks for having a look and attempting this General Grant quiz. Your answers, so far:

  • #1  Grant did indeed find himself appointed to West Point from Ohio... although he had to undergo a "name change" from H. U. Grant to Ulysses S. Grant in order to accept the appointment. For the rest of his life, U. S. Grant found curious pleasure in responding to questions IRT his name with "whatever answer the questioner would accept" as accurate: sometimes he "did not want the initials H.U.G. due to likelihood of hazing" and sometimes "the S stood for Simpson, his mother's maiden name." He got his nickname -- Sam -- from a shortened version of the interpretation of U.S. Grant (where U.S. was deemed to represent "Uncle Sam," eventually shortened to Sam.) Ultimately, Grant admitted that the S which stood in place of his middle name "stood for nothing."
  • #2  Buena Vista, the "most significant battle of the War with Mexico" ...and Grant was not there. From my read of Grant, when discussing this aspect of his military service, there was a twinge of regret that "he'd missed the big one." Similarly, Sherman and Ord did not brag up their Mexican War service, having spent the war in California.
  • #6  California beckoned to U.S. Grant, but events beyond his control stifled that dream.
  • #7  Migraine headache and U.S. Grant: the General in his Memoirs makes almost as much mention of "not touching alcohol" as admitting "he got sick headaches" (only the one headache before Lee surrendered at Appomattox is admitted.) There is proof, mostly found in letters, that General Grant suffered from migraine every three or four months (although Julia indicates he got one every three or four weeks, for which she would apply the treatment of mustard and compresses, as you make mention.) However, there are also sources that record, "a physician prescribed brandy to General Grant for the treatment of migraine."

So far, so good... only three answers remaining 🙂

 

 

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5...Julia...after she saw this picture she didnt like the "two storied" beard appearance and also disapproved of his hat..that even to me ..seems a size or two too same.

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Mona

Well Done! All answers correct.

And now a confession about this quiz: my daughter gave me a Civil War biography for Christmas. All of the seven above traits and factoids IRT U.S. Grant are contained in Ron Chernow's "Grant" (2017).

Again, good work, Mona: persistence pays.

Ozzy

 

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Grant’s Little Jokes

For the past year or two, every instance of a joke or funny story attributed to U.S. Grant has been recorded as it was encountered; not as productive a venture as might be supposed, because General Grant projected an image, a presence, of “serious, no-nonsense gravitas.” Grant appeared “too busy to be funny; too seriously engaged to allow humor to color his simply-business, deadly serious professional conduct.”

While preparing this discussion paper, the following assertion of Grant’s humor emerged:

https://warstoriescast.com/2017/10/24/library-conversation-with-dr-john-marszalek/

Worth a read to get someone else’s take on the subject.

Meanwhile, here are jokes and funny stories attributed to Ulysses S. Grant:

·         “You can’t march through that swamp, Jacob Ammen. I will send transports for you next week [to ferry you across from Hamburg Landing to Hamburg, after you and your men complete a 12-mile march.]”

·         “There is a water battery. Study it well.” – Said to Surgeon John Brinton during trip up Cumberland River aboard towboat W.H.B. in response to Brinton’s question, “What is a water battery?” And smacks of “Get me a left-handed monkey wrench.”

·         Allowing Brigadier General William Tecumseh Sherman to persist in calling his force “the First Division,” knowing that conduct would irritate Brigadier General John McClernand, in command of the original First Division.

·         The initiation and continuance of “the Shell Game” at Pittsburg Landing (claiming General C.F. Smith was still “at Pittsburg Landing,” but “just temporarily absent due to illness” in order to install W.T. Sherman as “acting commander of the campground.”) The joke was at the expense of John McClernand… again.

·         “General Grant intends to give you the opportunity to be shot in every important move” – Grant to Lew Wallace, via aide William Hillyer, following the success (at the cost of Wallace disregarding orders) at Fort Donelson.

·         In Missouri in 1861, General Grant advanced his troops and in process, heard about a local woman, Mrs. Selvidge, renowned for her home cooking. But when Grant fronted up to the cook’s home, he was told by her that, “She could not prepare a meal for the General because a squad of his cavalry had visited earlier, and cleaned her out – ate everything she had, except for a pie.” The General had a look at the pie, handed Mrs. Selvidge fifty cents, and turned to depart. “Aren’t you going to take your pie?” asked the cook. “Oh, no. Hold onto it for me.” And General Grant mounted his horse and took his departure. At his new headquarters, Grant determined the identity of the cavalry unit, and sent its commander the following order, just before midnight: “Having visited Mrs. Selvidge and eaten almost everything she had, except for one pie,  you will depart immediately for Mrs. Selvidge’s and eat that pie, too.”

·         After enjoying success at Fort Donelson, Grant “knew” that the next logical step was occupation of Nashville. And he was disheartened by delay and procrastination, most revealed by Brigadier General Don Carlos Buell, who asserted, “The Rebels may have departed, but they have every intention of returning to Nashville” – a claim that newly minted Major General Grant did not believe. But, in “showing his acceptance of Buell’s claim,” Grant pressed upon Buell the offer of BGen C.F. Smith’s division, in order to secure Union possession of Nashville… and he had Buell put that request in writing… and then sent Smith from Clarksville to Nashville.

Rbn3 in a post of 3 MAR 2017 offers the following:   Undistinguished and often shabby in appearance, Ulysses S. Grant did not recommend himself to strangers by looks. He once entered the Desoto House at Galena, Illinois, on a stormy winter's night. A number of lawyers, in town for a court session, were clustered around the fire. One looked up as Grant appeared and said, "Here's a stranger, gentlemen, and by the looks of him he's travelled through hell itself to get here."

"That's right," said Grant cheerfully.

"And how did you find things down there?"

"Just like here," replied Grant, "lawyers all closest to the fire."

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On 1/5/2019 at 2:54 PM, Ozzy said:

Mona

Well Done! All answers correct.

And now a confession about this quiz: my daughter gave me a Civil War biography for Christmas. All of the seven above traits and factoids IRT U.S. Grant are contained in Ron Chernow's "Grant" (2017).

Again, good work, Mona: persistence pays.

Ozzy

 

i was referencing Grant titles by Smith,Kaltman and McFeely for help but had to go to grant himself for a couple...Had to answer in bits and pieces  in between work..cant believe somebody else didnt jump in and finish before I found the answers.

 

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During this "quiet season," here are a few more bits of wit attributed to U. S. Grant:

  • General Grant was asked, "What would you have done with Gideon Pillow if you had captured him at Fort Donelson?" The General pondered, then replied, "Why, I would have turned him loose, of course. It's much better for us to have Pillow in command of Rebels, than tucked away as a prisoner."
  • "What is your favorite music, General?" someone asked Grant. The question caught Ulysses S. Grant (a man who believed "music" was one of the triggers for migraine headache) momentarily off guard. "I have no ear for music," he replied. "In fact, I only know two tunes: one is "Yankee Doodle," and the other isn't."
  • U.S. Grant was the first United States President to play golf... but not very well. During one outing, he is reported to have swung at the ball -- and missed -- more than he made contact. When asked afterwards, "What do you think of golf, General Grant?" the President replied, "Very good exercise," and nodded. "But, I fail to see the purpose of the little ball."
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