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Sean Chick

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  1. That makes sense, as the 46th Ohio pretty much disintegrated after the afternoon fight in Crescent Field. I do have an update... In volume of Reminiscences of the Boys in Gray, page 764, a veteran of the 17th Alabama mentions guarding prisoners on April 7. Jackson in his report (555) says the regiment fell back to its starting line, but he saw it later. Seems the regiment was a cross purposes on April 7, hence its absence most of the day.
  2. For The Maps of Shiloh I am creating a “tactical” order of battle for April 7, as the Confederates and Grant's army had lots of units mixed here and there, and it helps to understand the fighting. In doing so, I have found a few units where it is hard to establish where they were. All but one is Confederate. 46th Ohio I have found nothing in Daniel, Smith, or Lanny K. Smith. You can bet if this regiment had so much as marched 100 yards, Thomas Worthington would have mentioned it along with a dig at Sherman. But there is nothing I have seen. 17th Alab
  3. Thanks I hope it exceeds expectations. Shiloh is a bear of a battle to depict in accurate maps, but I have found some good stuff getting this ready.
  4. Thanks I will take a look after I get my outline of April 7 completed.
  5. Since writing that ECW post, it appears the 47th Tennessee website has uploaded an even better picture of Munson R. Hill. It seems likely he is our man.
  6. Good point there. I found this. I thought I might, as I had seen Ellis' name come up in regards to Cleburne and Forrest. "Ellis, Powhatan, Papers, 1856–1890. 1,592 items. Mss1EL595a. Contains the papers of Powhatan Ellis (1829–1906) of Richmond. Included in the collection is an undated autobiographical sketch by Powhatan Ellis containing a brief outline of his service during the war on the staffs of Lloyd Tilghman, Bushrod Rust Johnson, Patrick Ronayne Cleburne, William Wirt Adams, William Wing Loring, William Thompson Martin, Leonidas Polk, Stephen Dill Lee, Richard Taylor, and Nathan
  7. That could work. The issue is Cleburne's role at Duncan Field, if he was there, is minor. Those sources could be useful, but in my experience they rarely are even for large engagements. Again, worth looking into, but I would not expect a smoking gun. I do wish we had the 6th Mississippi report that Cleburne alludes to and that the 23rd Tennessee report had details. I checked Stewart's report (428) and he does not mention Cleburne, although to be fair the 4th Tennessee does not even report being in Duncan Field, which indicates their part in the action was minor. Bragg (466) only mentions
  8. Now if only I could figure out what happened to the 6th Arkansas after the Duncan Field attack...
  9. Thanks. I have concluded Duncan Field is where it happened, but the Review Field story got repeated and it went from there.
  10. Seems like a standard pro- Grant narrative, or at least Grant-Sherman centered narrative, that has made Grant the new "marble man." To be fair to them, its not exactly going to be too detailed given the format. The idea that Grant was able to rally the men made me laugh. Good to see my old professor Harry Laver on screen though.
  11. Thanks. I watched the video and his maps are way off once the attack on Sherman's camp failed. When you say they "went dark" does that mean all their maps are gone? As to the above conundrum, what do you think? The more I think on it, the more I think Cleburne did not charge at Duncan Field. Reed places him there, apparently because some members of the 6th Mississippi were captured in Stewart's attack. My thinking is they were just some of the many who lost their units and joined up with others.
  12. If anyone has anything to offer on the above, please reply on here.
  13. One part of the battle I am wondering about is Cleburne's supposed attack at Duncan Field (as found at SNMP Position Marker 427). His report reads as such. (pages 581-582 of the OR) "Finding my advance on the left wing for the present unemployed, I galloped back to my right. About half of the Twenty-third Tennessee and 60 men of the Sixth Mississippi had reformed. With these I advanced directly to my front, through the enemy’s encampment, the enemy having retreated as soon as my left had broken their right. Colonel Patterson, of the Eighth Arkansas, connected his regiment with my remnants
  14. Here is a list of Confederate units at Shiloh that did not turn in official reports. I did not include those reports that were brief, incomplete, or merely a list of losses, commendations, condemnations. Underneath certain units are notes, including other possible sources of information. ALABAMA 17th Alabama The Seventeenth Alabama Infantry: A Regimental History and Roster by Illene D. Thompson and Wilbur E. Thompson 31st Alabama (49th) 4th Alabama Battalion Consider how this unit did not exist for long, it is unlikely there is much on them. 1st Alab
  15. "Relevance: Where was Henry Halleck and his Army of the Mississippi on 18 May 1862?" Hanging out in front of Corinth. I know Joe Rose has argued Halleck would have been smarter to have John Pope proceed on Fort Pillow and then Memphis rather than being at Corinth.
  16. Thanks a bunch for telling me exactly where to find them. However, what I meant, and was not as clear about, was the 100 volume supplemental published by Broadfoot: http://www.soldierquest.org/OR_supplement.htm I know it has some Shiloh stuff, such as the report of the 52nd Illinois, itself important because their shift to McClernand's line late on April 6 allowed Trabue, and likely Cleburne, to easily exploit a hole in Union line. btw, I have been to Adelaide twice, in 2016 and 2019.
  17. Thanks for the response Ozzy, and the use of the term "ad hoc." I find that word useful for the Confederates at Shiloh. My estimation, after reading Stewart's report yesterday, is that Hindman was wounded around 11:30-12:00p.m. before Stewart attacked across Duncan Field. I think his wounding is one reason the attack did not mature so to speak. He was pushing his men hard in the morning. Add to that low ammunition, exhaustion, and heavy losses from previous fights, and any shot Stewart had was gone. What evidence is there for Johnston wanting Hindman to hinge with his division?
  18. The story of Hindman's wounding on April 6 is among the most dramatic incidents of a battle full of them. What I am wondering is where he was wounded. Most books place it at Review Field, before Stewart and Shaver attacked. However, the official reports of Bragg and Shaver case some doubt in my mind. Bragg says it occurred during Stewart's 11:30 a.m. attack at Duncan Field. Shaver also says as much. Thoughts anyone?
  19. Thank you Ozzy. This book is part of the "Maps of" series by Savas Beatie. It will explain the course of the campaign and battle in a series of maps. For instance, I have 6 maps covering the attack on Prentiss' camp, 4 maps on the attacks by Stewart and Gibson into the "Hornet's Nest," etc. Most maps are regimental scale. With a battle like Shiloh, given its terrain, duration, and the inexperience of most of the units involved, getting accurate placements and timings for regiments is difficult. Do you have any experience with the supplement to the OR?
  20. Hello all, This is my first post here, although I have lurked fore years. I am writing The Maps of Shiloh for Savas Beatie, with Brad Gottfried creating the maps. I have likely read every report in the OR 2-5 times a piece. I was wondering if the supplement has any particularly good information on Shiloh and if the unit information contained is particularly useful. I will regardless check them out, as Tulane University has them, but I wanted to ask here before I dive into them. Thank you all, I hope to be more active on here as the project continues. We are currently half-way th
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